Hi
I’m trying to fine on Bader where it will tell me the amount of staff a Sqn is allowed depending on cadet numbers.
Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks
Its here:
Although, usefully, said document is unfindable on SharePoint…
The establishment scales are currently being revied to take into account the formalising of the Sector Commanders posts.
I always thought you did that sort of work BEFORE you went live with a policy, then release the changes all in one hit…
And they say that ACC undermines HGAC. In truth, we don’t need to, they do it more than adequately themselves.
i would be interested to see this document given recent changes to our staff team,
having lost one officer we have gained two, and have two SI’s going through the process of joining too in the new few months our uniformed staff team is likely to double!
i guess the only restriction can be on ATC/VRT personnel as SI’s and CI’s can choose where is most appropriate for them to parade…?
CIs wise, there is a limit due to H2D claimants. There is/was a quota for ATC/VRTs but the numbers were interchangeable.
SIs were entirely independent and not listed on any establishment scales (that I’m aware of).
We’ll see what the new doc says!
Does anyone know how they derive adult staff establishments?
Judging from the fact that Sector Commanders have been around for 5-6 years and we’re still waiting on a new policy, I would say no-one does.
Judging from the fact that Sector Commanders have been around for 5-6 years and we’re still waiting on a new policy, I would say no-one does.[/quote]
I have to admit this is my thought.
I wonder how many squadrons could operate effectively if they only had the number of staff allowed as per the book? I will discount CIs for a moment on the basis that CIs only did subject instuction etc and only expected to turn up as programmed. I know that in reality if I didn’t have CIs filling many so called “uniformed roles”, I’d be stuffed.
Frankly I think establishments should be abolished as I don’t really know what purpose they serve now or at any time. I’ve never known a sqn that only has its established staff levels, be that above OR (more often than not) below, which I know about, having been a “one man and his dog” operation in the past.
Judging from the fact that Sector Commanders have been around for 5-6 years and we’re still waiting on a new policy, I would say no-one does.[/quote]
I have to admit this is my thought.
I wonder how many squadrons could operate effectively if they only had the number of staff allowed as per the book? I will discount CIs for a moment on the basis that CIs only did subject instuction etc and only expected to turn up as programmed. I know that in reality if I didn’t have CIs filling many so called “uniformed roles”, I’d be stuffed.
Frankly I think establishments should be abolished as I don’t really know what purpose they serve now or at any time. I’ve never known a sqn that only has its established staff levels, be that above OR (more often than not) below, which I know about, having been a “one man and his dog” operation in the past.[/quote]
IIRC, the establishment scales WERE rather generous. And any uniformed post could be filled by a CI. So the limit on CIs was quite high.
We’re a D Sqn and we were “allowed” 4 CIs.
They are completely pointless IMO, serve no purpose other than for WHQ to try and justify stealing staff.
I always thought the establishments were determined by sticking a wet finger in the air and seeing which way the wind is blowing.
But then I think the same about a number of “management decisions.”
[quote=“pEp” post=10109]We’re a D Sqn and we were “allowed” 4 CIs.
They are completely pointless IMO, serve no purpose other than for WHQ to try and justify stealing staff.[/quote]
Exactly. In my last post as OC I had five or six uniformed staff members move on and one move in. We used to bump along at the top of the establishment scale for a C/D Sqn as we were at the time.