New Smoking and Drinking Policy

Also are they letting you claim mileage?

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Have any of the CWC be told that they could potentially be investigated, would love to see the face of the AVM rtd and the RN Captain, in particular the latter as that may have professional implications.

If you go, tell them that you are recording the 'interview’so there is no ‘misinterpretation’ later of what and what was not was said.

Where is WExO and Wing Commander in this?

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It’s recommended that the person conducting the interview records it to help them write up the pers 1-21. There should be no misinterpretation as once the 1-21 is written up, it is only signed off as ‘true’ once with the interviewer and the interviewee both sign to say they agree with what has been written.

Notes should be taken during the interview for reference. It is recommended that the interview is recorded to subsequently assist with writing up the interview record. Formal statements from individuals are to be recorded using Pers Form 1-21. These do not have to be verbatim but should contain all relevant factual information and should be approved and signed off by the interviewer and interviewee. Once the interview record has been agreed any notes or recordings from the interview should be appropriately disposed of.

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Tell them to poke that idea where the sun doesn’t shine, a visual and aural recording is a verbatim record which cannot be altered or misinterpreted. Treat this an interview under caution and demand an AO. The fall-out and consequences could have long term personal effects.

Would you trust the RAFAC, I know someone who did and ended up in the Crown Court. This muppet of an acting Squadron Leader could try anything to prove his/her case.

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How’d it go?

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Well @VirtualRealityTrooper would tell you, but they’re currently marking double time outside a block in Colchester.

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Suspecting they are on here and may read this, all I will say is I’m/we are still functioning. It was a one way conversation from our side and he left with some constructive feedback and advice to recognise the boundaries of what is RAFAC duty and what is the most important part of this organisation…friendship and moral. Further advice was given to squat up on policy regarding policy for interview and investigation. Only real upset was once he left rather sheepishly, he found his car blocked in by our CWOs newer version of his Focus.

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So in short, he was told to go forth and multiply and in future, make sure of his facts which need to be on solid ground and verified. Sounds like a good evenings work.

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Seriously???
Then again

Glad I work in CCF. School rules apply on school premises, which here include being able (indeed, encouraged) to invite pupils into specified, limited parts of my school owned home under strict rules with records kept for a meal with limited, specified alcoholic drinks available.

Must seem like a different world to you.

I feel that there are some in the corps who would see it differently.

Why would you ever want to do that though? Sounds like an absolutely massive potential risk to you if things were to go south.

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Because of the immense educational benefit that can be obtained by socialising young people in the presence of adults, in a controlled setting, in a boarding school environment. Alcohol isn’t required, of course, and if we couldn’t give it to them then we wouldn’t stop this sort of social occasion.

I wonder how you think it would go south, though. We are sitting around a table, having a meal together; I hand out every drink personally and they know the allowed limits. They are members of my tutor group - I am responsible for their academic progress, their university applications, etc.

It’s probably difficult, outside the boarding school context, to understand that relationship, and how ‘it going south’ just isn’t a significant risk.

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All of which is part of the immense difference between CCF and ATC in one respect: CCF are professionals at managing young people, and in the boarding context, that is ALL aspects of their life, alcohol use and abuse being just one of them. Mostly, the ATC (including HQ staff) are not - hence some policies are unrealistic and impractical, or even perverse. I will leave it to others to work out which policies I might have in mind.

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I was at a boarding school, going into the teacher’s accommodation was a massive no at all times. Socialisation opportunities were given but that could be in the main school.

Well, if it helps, this policy has survived every inspection in the 28 years I’ve worked here…

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I think you’re right with this. My education is 100% standard secondary school with no boarding.

It’s funny because up until now doing a PhD, I would only now feel comfortable socialising at my teacher/supervisor’s home. But we’re more junior/senior colleagues than Student/Teacher.

Had to read this several times…

Why in Gods name would you ever do that?
Its just the first step towards prison.
Regadless of safeguards or records kept.

I take it you’ll never allow one of your kids friends round to play just in case?

Entirely different and i think you know that…

A 2 generation difference and no alcohol and a kids playdate is sonewhat different from a cozy dinner with alcohol with a tutor.

Of course i forget… its unheard of, teachers having it away with students. :man_facepalming: