New Cadet Rankslides

Thats ok, the long hair and mixed uniform will identify them as CCF…

:rofl:

Could be either thanks to Uncle Tony and hie relaxation of the hair policy :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Im definitely becoming old.

Not a fan of beards in uniform, working shirts should always be worn with sleeves folded… and hair must be short, off the collar…

… but times are changing i suppose.

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In practise, the beard policy raised standards (prior to it, anyone could get a shaving chit from the med centre and then there were no rules on what their beard should look like).

On everything else, I’m with you (although, I’d ditch working shirts like everyone else has).

I don’t think sleeves up in “working” shirts was ever an actual rule. If it truly is “working” dress then it should be adaptable to the environment the individual is working in. (Although this does fall apart when the book says that all No2s are “working dress”, including 2A).

Having a gender neutral hair policy makes sense, why did it ever need to be different, other than the societal norm than women have long hair and men short.

Some of the beards are honking - too long or too patchy for example. It needs robust leadership with integrity and excellence to enforce.

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I was someone who had a beard before they were cool and constantly had to endure people giving me their opinions on them.

I once had two army officers tell me they were bad because I’d be marked out on the battlefield. Meanwhile they were carefully eating their eggs so as not to mess up their handlebar moustaches…

This was my general go-to on all fronts.

Unsurprisingly, nobody would ever commit to the consistent logic and say that if beards look scruffy, therefore our Sikh colleagues must look scruffy. Suddenly it wasn’t that clear cut…

We should be doing away with as many “exceptions” and dividing lines as possible and standardise such rules in favour of inclusion. That way, we’re open to everyone on the same terms.

Does it really matter if a man has a stud earring? We allow them for women.

Does it matter if a man wears discreet makeup? Women do.

To be logically consistent, would it matter if a man wore a skirt? Not to be disparaging, but our Scottish colleagues look great in kilts, which is the greatest argument for highlighting that this really is all about cultural framing.
No, kilts aren’t skirts. But really, remove that cultural understanding and someone would notice some differences, but wouldn’t really categorise them differently.

We could of course move to more practical utility trousers as standard for those who think skirts are a bridge too far…

If we don’t deal with climate change we’ll all be desperate for the lightest, floatiest clothing we can get our hands on anyway…

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They did at least throw a short paragraph into 1358 on gender considerations which gives people the freedom to do what they’d prefer, as much as it’s just a cop out in lieu of just updating the whole document to be gender neutral.

They were worse before the change in policy. People got medical chits saying they couldn’t shave, but would then sculpt designer beards by shaving parts of their faces. Others went for the full ZZ Top look.

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Having been in the RAF 16 years now even as an ACLO hosting cadets on unit I don’t think I ever saw a cadet cutting about camp without staff.

Cadets are also super obvious, not only do they look young but they are always better turned out than regulars and actually look happy to be on camp :joy:

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Cover that with the fact they will now be the only ones in 2C.

And yeah, with morale at my camp in the toilet, probably the only happy ones there.

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Can happen on station camps* in the evenings/free time nipping to the NAAFI.

*Remember them? (Not a dig at @Air_Suggestion specifically who could well be running excellent camps at their unit, but…)

Also what about cadets in No1s? Is there going to be any designation of this style in No1 uniform?

Given how often cadets wear No1s I don’t think it’s worth the money or effort.

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there was never a staff cadet identifier in 1s so i’d assume nothing

In my day as a cadet, a staff cadet worn the yellow land yard. Had to be put forward by OC and then interview with WSO. Land yard was worn on No1 and working dress

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Yep. On completion of part two.

But that was classification, not age based.

Pt1 and 2 was replaced by Master, the lanyard went to MOI.

O18 was the white slide under the main slide wasn’t it? Or was that only probie cfav?

The white tabs were initially for O18 cadets post the initial LASER report cull, then became a probationary uniform CFAV thing later, disappearing from the shoulder of cadets.

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Thought I remembered wearing p tabs as a cadet.

I’ve just seen a social media post where an ACF lcpl’s rank slide had their detachment name above ACF.

If ACF detachments (smaller than sqns, equivalent to flights) can afford to get their own rank slides embroidered, I really don’t think that cost is an argument at corps level.