The more recent changes to remove use of safety catch and relevant commands for target rifle use was what I was referring to.
Agree the original L98 biased stuff was a poor show from the SASC but driven by the ACF mainly.
The more recent changes to remove use of safety catch and relevant commands for target rifle use was what I was referring to.
Agree the original L98 biased stuff was a poor show from the SASC but driven by the ACF mainly.
And this applies to the ACF/CCF too?
Sadly, I couldn’t attend tonight but there are huge knock on effects from just these points.
Locally, access to shooting becomes even more constrained for us as there is only one serviceable barrack range in the entire wing boundary to do anything beyond air rifle if .22 is gone. Geographically, we’re quite spread out across two large counties and it’s at one end of the wing.
We never got up and running with hubs so maybe not quite so impactful there as other wings but I was at least trying to get the ball rolling with taking weapons to where there are .22 ranges knocking about.
We lost our L81s years ago (no idea why) so zero impact there. I guess that’s ISCRM dead too.
Plus side, I can focus delivering one weapon course instead of juggling the logistics of multiple weapons.
DCCT is going to have to make up for the shortfall big time. Still need two service vehicles to take a single L98 along to these virtual shoots for WHT refreshers.
This is devastating. If they don’t keep up .22 in some form it will be a travesty. What was said about CLPWs? Or clays?
And is this a tri service thing or are we going down the route of no L81s but yet again the army and sea cadets will continue?
No one joins to do DCCT. A glorified video game is not what we should be offering cadets.
Debated in the post from the FOI release in January,
Well that was a lie - I assume the short notice on the town hall was to avoid the group that would have ripped the proposal apart.
I don’t think it’s a lie, but what I do think is that mostly in this organisation proposals are written to justify the ends they want to achieve and have already agreed, rather than an objective look at what is possible and presenting a range of options.
Let’s hope the new commandant goes back to the drawing board on this and realises the devasation it will have on target shooting.
I think the RC and TK last night said that it is based on a paper going to air command so is still a working plan.
Nothing said about Clays at all, no questions asked either.
CLPW policy will be replaced with NSLPW policy with what appears to be very little change. New RAFAC policy has been written but has to go to a few places at air first.
That was my thought, we are a strong shooting Contingent with staff who are TeamGB coaches.
It won’t go down well
E2A: Those who want to target shoot join my section, those who want to do more blank firing go Army section. With the other big ticket things we do being restricted or paused, it’s the one big pull I have left. Take it away and my section may wither… most do not join to do STEM, they do that all day in school.
It was mentioned on the town hall, to roll out more AR ranges and rifles. Costs and payments not confirmed
Given that it costs around £1200 for just the target, let alone the rifles, I wonder who will foot that bill.
This is great, but once we lose 144s we can’t train people and so CPLWs will be unusable…right?
Yeah, the SECR currently states they have to be pre-trained on service rifle. Something will need to be changed to accommodate it once L144/L81 has gone.
“Ladies and gentleman, please give a big round of applause for your host of ‘What’s for the chop at the next town hall’….Tony Keeling!”
Thank you. I wasn’t available to get on this Town Hall aka cancellation notification dial in…
Rifle work out at about £600 then there’s the full service every 3 years.
I really hope the incoming commandant scraps this. This is not a way to save money. Year on year RAFAC wipe the floor at Battle of Britain and ISCRM. I am sure Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales would rather keep the weapons and see the leadership etc go ahead which is not available for cadets outside England.
The L81s could do with re-barrelling - I’m sure a bulk price could be achieved - especially from a newer provider such as Phoenix Barrels. Probably able to get under £1000 per barrel including fitting / proofing. If they are only going to be used out to 600x with RG or similar , then no need for 32-34” barrel & exotic barrel twist, just go for bog standard, stainless 30” barrel with 1:13 twist. That will last at least 7000 rds.
Servicing should be so simple. Check barrel for firecracking, bolt for functional operation (might be good to use stronger spring for less lock time) & check the sights / bedding. £100-150 a go?