Old DPM ones - liner - no proper pockets
Current lightweight MTP - seems to be designed for under or over as required
Heavyweight MTP Goretex - outer (but rare)
Goretex lined smock - seems good for known wet/cold days but how heavy is it compared to windproof?
We need a new thread for the trousers
Going back to this the waterproof variant smock, this link looks the most descriptive about the waterproof smock. They seem to be about £15-20 more than the standard windproof variant (https://www.goarmy.co.uk/british-mtp-smock-with-goretex-lining-prod)
Does anyone own it at all and have experience to share by? Is there any scenario where anyone would recommend this to a cadet over a lightweight waterproof jacket under the standard windproof smock in wet weather?
Also:
I see it working probably best for shooting, but not much in fieldcraft?
Re: Trousers @WestlandScout
I’m guessing you mean the waterproof trousers? Would make sense to spin off waterproof articles to another thread for better compartmentalisation and searching for new users. Still have to go through differences between MTP PCS temperate/windproof trousers…
I have the warm weather PCS trousers in at least 2 different patterns, with and without the button and tab waist adjustments. I’ve yet to find a Temperate pair in my size!
Courtesy of a colleague
Smock Combat Windproof and MVP
Liner is fixed
A bit heavier than the regular smock but lighter than a gortex and smock together
These seem to be favoured by shooting types…
I’ve created a new topic Waterproofs and ancillaries in Fieldcraft. Admin pls change if I have messed it up.
Great Bit of kit but can feel like a boil in the bag. Mine almost permanently has the pit zips open.
So good for on stag or an OP (I guess what is was designed for) or if you’re an RCO so fairly static?
Exactly, not good for active use or Fieldcraft. The layering system is still around for a good reason.
I wear mine as an outer layer in summer, without a smock, when it is raining. In winter I use the older pattern goretex. The problem with wearing a goretex under the smock, apart from breathability, is putting it on and taking it off. If it suddenly starts raining you have to take your smock off, put on the goretex and then the smock. Then you have to repeat the process in reverse to take it off, which leads to cadets not bothering and keeping it on. Of course they tend to do that anyway.
The whole concept has been back and forth…
Early DMP MVP - Wear it over the top. Includes, pockets, hood, and rank strap.
Logical - Keeps you dry.
Next DPM MVP - Wear it underneath. Includes hood and nothing else.
Also logical in another way - By the time you get your kit off and dig out your waterproof your smock might already be soaked. So get something dry next to you instead and get that wet smock on over the top. Also means that you’ve still got easy access to anything in your smock pockets.
Then they realised that few people were actually doing that and so it had just become an inconvenient outer garment - so redesigned again.
The MTP kit (in both heavy and light) is designed to permit wearing over the top. They have pockets/access and rank strap.
The idea of longevity seems to have long since fallen away.
Sure, worn over the top it will wear out more rapidly; but that’s next year’s budget…
It’s far more likely that the cheap zippers will fail before the fabric - hence the huge number of basically serviceable, but for the broken zips, jackets I see in the gash bins at stores.
A bit of digging around and I’ve found a whole new range of trousers:
Trousers Combat
Tropical Multi Terrain Pattern
85/84/100 is NSN 8415-99-667-4249
Not seen these before. Any thoughts?
That’s the Tropical pattern - sometimes (technically incorrectly) referred to as CS95 MTP.
Came out before PCS-CU was introduced.
There are three main types of MTP kit:
The original, CS95-style kit (in tropical weight)
The current, main-issue PCS (in temperate weight)
The current, warm-weather PCS (in tropical weight)
I think that WDI is correct that the ones marked ‘tropical’ are probably the originals, think that the newer stuff is marked as ‘warm weather’
The easiest way to tell is if it has straight or slanted leg pockets - straight is CS95, slanted is PCS.
The polycotton mix of the tropical/warm weather ones might be worth checking, and they were a thinner material.
Thanks for asking around.
I see the black lining encompasses the entire neck area and also within the hood. If you see your colleague around in MTP, is the black visible when you have the smock hood rolled up (i.e. will it look slightly out-of-place for barrack use?) I know it’s issue and all, but whether it pricks up attention
The lining in the hood is visible. There is nothing in the regs saying they can’t be worn and it looks like a good bit of kit. Might be a bit warm for barrack use though?
They are great and it is very warm, I have the pit zips open on mine and it’s only ever used for cold wet days out on ranges. Mine has a green lining instead of black as well which is a bit less obvious from a distance.
You’re kidding… ANOTHER different variant?! 
They don’t make this easy do they.
But that sounds a lot better to be honest. Thanks for sharing. Where did you buy it from Bob?
I had mine off eBay but the ones with green lining seem like hens teeth to find, most are black.
This is the one you’re referring to I’m guessing, note the green lining in the hood in the pics:
https://www.kitmonster.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/2362
The MVP smock is, imv, an item that is - in cadet/CFAV terms - pretty niche.
It’s pretty warm, it’s pretty heavy and it’s pretty bulky - you wouldn’t want to walk 30 miles in it or carry it in your daysack - what it’s very good for is standing around exposed ranges, or working the flight line at Mount Pleasant or Lossiemouth.
If you’re a big shooter then it’s probably worth the investment, but if shooting is just one of the things you do then I’d think that you’d get far more value from spending the same cash on a softie jacket and an issue gore-tex.
You’ll need a normal smock anyway - the MVP smock is (imv) unwearable, even with just a t-shirt, in temps over about 12c…