while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?
I think that I’m getting tired of explaining to regular personnel why we are wearing (in their eyes) an obsolete set of clothing.
I think that people should read earlier posts!
And I think i shouldn’t be sarcastic!
I know you’re new on the site, but this has been discussed to death - many times!
So stop explaining.
[quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001]while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?[/quote]
The only time I know of RAF being like that is with CCF cadets wearing RAF cap badges
[quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001]while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?[/quote]
i think you’ve never seen MTP being used on a Training Area - or DPM being used on a Training Area for that matter…
i think you’ve never learned to punctuate, and over-rely on exclamation marks.
i think you have no concept whatsoever of the manufacturing contracts and processes required to produce uniform (all of which are explained in the various MTP threads), and not given a moments thought to the structure of the ACO, which would see VR(T) in MTP, and everyone else in DPM. the consequences of which are a) looking deeply gash, and b) morale in the toilet.
i also think you’re an ignorant ■■■■■■, because you’ve not yet managed to learn that the country you live in is called ‘the UK’, and not ‘England’, and that the ACO does not just operate in England, but in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, Cyprus and Gibralter - and you can’t claim ‘shorthand’, because it takes more effort to write ‘England’ than it does ‘the UK’.
apart from that, i think you make excellent points…
[quote=“angus” post=9016][quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001]while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?[/quote]
i think you’ve never seen MTP being used on a Training Area - or DPM being used on a Training Area for that matter…
i think you’ve never learned to punctuate, and over-rely on exclamation marks.
i think you have no concept whatsoever of the manufacturing contracts and processes required to produce uniform (all of which are explained in the various MTP threads), and not given a moments thought to the structure of the ACO, which would see VR(T) in MTP, and everyone else in DPM. the consequences of which are a) looking deeply gash, and b) morale in the toilet.
i also think you’re an ignorant ■■■■■■, because you’ve not yet managed to learn that the country you live in is called ‘the UK’, and not ‘England’, and that the ACO does not just operate in England, but in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, Cyprus and Gibralter - and you can’t claim ‘shorthand’, because it takes more effort to write ‘England’ than it does ‘the UK’.
apart from that, i think you make excellent points…[/quote]
But England is the country he lives in which is part of the UK 
On a serious note who really cares about wearing MTP? we have CS95’s they do the job why do we really need to change?
I know it looks a bit daft if we are next to the ACF in greens but how often do we see this?
[quote=“zinggy” post=9020][quote=“angus” post=9016][quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001]while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?[/quote]
i think you’ve never seen MTP being used on a Training Area - or DPM being used on a Training Area for that matter…
i think you’ve never learned to punctuate, and over-rely on exclamation marks.
i think you have no concept whatsoever of the manufacturing contracts and processes required to produce uniform (all of which are explained in the various MTP threads), and not given a moments thought to the structure of the ACO, which would see VR(T) in MTP, and everyone else in DPM. the consequences of which are a) looking deeply gash, and b) morale in the toilet.
i also think you’re an ignorant ■■■■■■, because you’ve not yet managed to learn that the country you live in is called ‘the UK’, and not ‘England’, and that the ACO does not just operate in England, but in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, Cyprus and Gibralter - and you can’t claim ‘shorthand’, because it takes more effort to write ‘England’ than it does ‘the UK’.
apart from that, i think you make excellent points…[/quote]
But England is the country he lives in which is part of the UK
On a serious note who really cares about wearing MTP? we have CS95’s they do the job why do we really need to change?
I know it looks a bit daft if we are next to the ACF in greens but how often do we see this?[/quote]
The issue is not so much that we want it. (well it is for some.) but what do we do when the CS95 runs out? We have no more stepping stones and the one we are on is sinking.
[quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001] Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better!
[/quote]
I know a couple of people have sort of made this point (quite robustly), but: no it isn’t and no it doesn’t.
The only places I have seen DPM outperform MTP are in the middle of a dark forest in summer and in the middle of a forest at dusk and dawn. Everywhere else MTP is equal or better.
When CS95 runs out and the people who actually need PCS all have it then hopefully we’ll be on the list to get PCS on the same basis that we got CS95 from the chain. If that means there is a period where some of us are in CS95 and others are in PCS then thats not a big deal either.
If they want to keep PCS out of the retail chain it may actually be easier for us to get hold of cast-offs from the military supply chain.
[quote=“Baldrick” post=9022][quote=“zinggy” post=9020][quote=“angus” post=9016][quote=“armysurplusandtoys” post=9001]while i was an instructor the biggest issue was the RAF did not like the fact we (cadets) looked like them! Now we want to look them in MTP! Why not stay in DPM it better her in england and works so much better! Also showing the difference between cadets and military personnel!
what do you think?[/quote]
i think you’ve never seen MTP being used on a Training Area - or DPM being used on a Training Area for that matter…
i think you’ve never learned to punctuate, and over-rely on exclamation marks.
i think you have no concept whatsoever of the manufacturing contracts and processes required to produce uniform (all of which are explained in the various MTP threads), and not given a moments thought to the structure of the ACO, which would see VR(T) in MTP, and everyone else in DPM. the consequences of which are a) looking deeply gash, and b) morale in the toilet.
i also think you’re an ignorant ■■■■■■, because you’ve not yet managed to learn that the country you live in is called ‘the UK’, and not ‘England’, and that the ACO does not just operate in England, but in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands, Germany, Cyprus and Gibralter - and you can’t claim ‘shorthand’, because it takes more effort to write ‘England’ than it does ‘the UK’.
apart from that, i think you make excellent points…[/quote]
But England is the country he lives in which is part of the UK
On a serious note who really cares about wearing MTP? we have CS95’s they do the job why do we really need to change?
I know it looks a bit daft if we are next to the ACF in greens but how often do we see this?[/quote]
The issue is not so much that we want it. (well it is for some.) but what do we do when the CS95 runs out? We have no more stepping stones and the one we are on is sinking.[/quote]^ That.
I personally don’t care whether we end up in DPM, MTP, OG or some entirely new camouflage pattern. What I care about is that we have a decent supply of serviceable uniform - which is going to be an issue with DPM shortly.
I wonder how many people here remember the same thing happening with CS95 we (The ATC) didnt get it until years after the rest of the world got it…
Yup - it was a bit of a nuisance but no big deal.
I would much rather work as we have and have an iffy supply of combat clothes than the possible (cost-based) alternative which would force us into a set of blue PCS pyjamas.
[quote=“incubus” post=9024]
If they want to keep PCS out of the retail chain it may actually be easier for us to get hold of cast-offs from the military supply chain.[/quote]
I know a surplus dealer who can now get PCS.
actually we could get it - we’d just walk into a surplus store and buy it, or pop down to our local station/barracks and rob their bins, and produce a gaunt, tear-stained cadet and try and prick their concience in to giving us some freebees.
much later on it was issued to Sqns, but we could get hold of it long before that.
MTP is different - it appears unlikely that we’ll be able to ‘procure’ it through the normal (for us) channels, and it also appears unlikely that we’ll be able to buy it commercialy.
hence cadets in threadbare DPM’s that don’t fit, a DPM jacket with Alta Vista trousers, maybe some lightweights kicking about, and perhaps something from the desert.
the problem, as noted about, is that there was always going to be a DPM - MTP change-over problem given the MOD purchace and disposal policy, but HQAC made no attempt whtsoever to come up with a solution. unless, of course, you are cynical enough to believe that HQAC’s intention all along was to engineer a situation where the wearing of ‘combats’ became all but impossible, and therefore the activities tht require the wearing of ‘combats’ would similarly fall by the wayside.
of course, thats ridiculous given HQAC’s and RHQ’s long-standing efforts to make shooting and feildcraft easier to do and more widespread throughout the Corps. oh, hang on…
AFIK SATTs will be scaled for PCS and be issued it from September, some already have the uniform are just waiting for the go ti be allowed to wear it!!
No doubt JLs will be teh same as they are scaled for CS-95 at present.
[quote=“talon” post=9036][quote=“incubus” post=9024]
If they want to keep PCS out of the retail chain it may actually be easier for us to get hold of cast-offs from the military supply chain.[/quote]
I know a surplus dealer who can now get PCS.[/quote]
http://www.ex-mod-textiles.com/shop/mtp-camouflage.html
I suspect the need to recover the cost for the taxpayer will outweigh any principles about keeping it out of the surplus market!
[quote=“40b” post=9056][quote=“talon” post=9036][quote=“incubus” post=9024]
If they want to keep PCS out of the retail chain it may actually be easier for us to get hold of cast-offs from the military supply chain.[/quote]
I know a surplus dealer who can now get PCS.[/quote]
http://www.ex-mod-textiles.com/shop/mtp-camouflage.html
I suspect the need to recover the cost for the taxpayer will outweigh any principles about keeping it out of the surplus market![/quote]
Plus they will realise that it is going to be available anyway so they might as well get paid for it!
[quote=“talon” post=9036][quote=“incubus” post=9024]
If they want to keep PCS out of the retail chain it may actually be easier for us to get hold of cast-offs from the military supply chain.[/quote]
I know a surplus dealer who can now get PCS.[/quote]
I spoke to a dealer yesterday, he said that the surplus dealers were given the green light to sell MTP & PCS last Monday.
Cadet Direct is now selling Grade 1 MTP PCS…