thats what timpsons are for…[/quote]
Oh I can cut a million copies of the keys, but wouldn’t be able to through the TA’s electronic gate!
[quote=“kfd” post=21925]My belief is that there are 3 sets of keys and a master key.
2 sets are given to the unit., one set in a box on the unit that RFCA contractors have access to.
The master key is held at WHQ/RFCA.
Contractors sign for a key to the box and main door returned on completion of work.
No unit is allowed to get more than 2 copies of the keys, was and is a big issue for all.
Dont know if this a national issue or standard but think it is.[/quote]
We’ve got 3 sets, and RFCA have a 4th.
We tried to get more cut, but we couldn’t just do so as they’re security keys and need the master key/card thing to authorise the cut.
Our request went to OC HRFCA and he quite sternly told us to get back in our box.
Out of interest, saying what & quoting what references?
If as a unit you have good grounds for more keys, as long as they are accounted for in a key register, what is the issue? You might have say 6 members of staff with good reasons to have a set, especially if they can’t make every parade night, or come in on ad-hoc occasions to catch up on admin, putting uniform into stores, running a range evening, getting the mini-bus for a weekend event, etc, etc. Swapping keys around is a logistical nightmare - & if a set gets lost, who was the person concerned…?
Not having enough keys is counter-productive - & worst case, leads to the “under the door mat” mentality!
Out of interest, do the “rules” allow for a heavy duty combi-lock security box so that a set of keys is always available?
http://www.securesafe.co.uk/supra-c500-police-approved-keysafe-002049
RFCA sited Security and cost. No unit in the wing can get more keys cut than they currently have. Usually 2-3 sets only. RFCA have a set in a box at the unit, contractors sign for the front door and box key if any works are to be carried out on the unit.
Counter proposal to RFCA…
- Sqn will pay cost of extra set.
- Key register in force = no security risk - what would be their specific requirements?
- What are maximum number of keys held elsewhere? More than your Sqn? Why the limit?
- What are RFCA’s views in external key box if no further keys can be issued?
- Why are they imposing limits that restrict your logistics & time-management of staff?