Israel and Gaza 2023

[grounded]

Absolutely! Armistice day is one of the most appropriate days of the year to show support for peace in the world and ceasefires. Armistice is literally a synonym for cease-fire.

[MajorDisaster]

@Gunner

These protesters feel that they are a protected species and can do whatever they want. If they feel that disrupting the Cenotaph ceremony will get them publicity, that’s what they’ll do.

The media are so, so effective at making you fear that they’re coming for you.

[MajorDisaster]

@Gunner

This planet has undergone several changes to it’s climate over millions of years, many of them before man even set foot on the Earth. If the experts are to be believed, it’s a naturally occuring event. I don’t doubt it’s being brought that little bit closer by major polluters but the UK contributes something like 0.01% emissions, so why protest about that and demand we change what we do. America, India and China won’t.

You should watch out for the cognitive bias which has clearly fed you for some time.

The learned experts will happily explain why you couldn’t be more wrong (and it’s not surprise I can instantly extrapolate many of the things you are likely to consider truths).

Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean it can’t be true.

[MajorDisaster]

@Moist_Van_Lipwig

This point of view is exactly what Hamas rely on people like you you voicing, though. It’s why they (if you Believe the IDF) use civilian infrastructure to fight from, and why they are refusing to let civilians evacuate.

They are able to effectively weapons civilian deaths in a way that large states rarely do. Bluntly, 10 dead Palestinian children is a PR and diplomatic win for Hamas, and does more for their cause than an equivalent number of fighters ever could. It’s horrific, yes, but it’s seemingly working.

Israel has taken more steps to prevent casualties during this last month, than we did during Herrick and Telic. Did we ever warn ordinary Afghans that we would be attacking a suspected bomb makers compound before carrying out the raid?

Oh silly me. I forgot that war crimes cancel out war crimes.

[Moist_Van_Lipwig]

Well, that’s not at all what I said, is it?

But just out of interest, are you as emotionally invested in civilian deaths in other conflicts, or just this one?

[MajorDisaster]

It doesn’t matter that it’s playing into their hands. If anything, one would think that’s a good reason to be even more careful.

And yes, I take slight issue that you are implying I’m not as emotionally invested in civilian deaths elsewhere in the world. As a general rule, I tend to be more emotional about that one’s my nation state directly supports, then the ones they indirectly support.

The ones where I’m made out to be some sort of terrorist sympathisers by my own nation state are the ones I get really aggravated about though.

[Mr_OZ]

@Gunner

This planet has undergone several changes to it’s climate over millions of years, many of them before man even set foot on the Earth. If the experts are to be believed, it’s a naturally occuring event. I don’t doubt it’s being brought that little bit closer by major polluters but the UK contributes something like 0.01% emissions, so why protest about that and demand we change what we do. America, India and China won’t.

Exxon uses Big Tobacco's playbook to downplay the climate crisis, Harvard...

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change

[Moist_Van_Lipwig]

@MajorDisaster

If anything, one would think that’s a good reason to be even more careful.

It’s hard to think of how any country could prosecute a military campaign with more care, though. Unless you advocate non military means, which is clearly non negotiable.

By blocking evacuation routes, and placing legitimate military targets in civilian areas, you could argue that Hamas are doing more to kill their own civilians than Israel.

@MajorDisaster

, then the ones they indirectly support.

The ones where I’m made out to be some sort of terrorist sympathisers by my own nation state are the ones I get really aggravated about though.

That depends on whether your support lies with ordinary Palestinians, or with Hamas I guess. If it’s the former, then why not admit that whilst it’s Israeli weapons that are doing the damage, Hamas have some responsibility for those deaths also.

[JustCallMeFlight]

One for the barrack room lawyers to debate.

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1722310114999242923?s=46&t=K7MGVro8uBnDTzpI5LHoLQ

Kay Burley’s understanding of IHL is rather simplistic, to say the least.

[WhiskeyNovember]

@WhiskeyNovember

The dog-whistling from the government is becoming rather ridiculous, isn’t it?

Turns out it can get even more ridiculous:

She added that she believed the marches were not “merely a cry for help for Gaza”, but an “assertion of primacy by certain groups - particularly Islamists - of the kind we are more used to seeing in Northern Ireland”.

London Gaza rally: Braverman accuses Met of bias over Gaza marches

This seems to be nothing more than an attempt to cause the police to lose their political independence.

[JustCallMeFlight]

@WhiskeyNovember

This seems to be nothing more than an attempt to cause the police to lose their political independence.

They lost that when they took the knee to BLM and stood by Just Stop Oil / Insulate Britain protests, then went in hard against the vigil for that poor woman, anti-lockdown protests, etc.

[JoeBloggs]

London Gaza rally: Braverman accuses Met of bias over Gaza marches

Home Secretary Suella Braverman has accused the Metropolitan Police of “playing favourites” over its handling of pro-Palestinian protests.

Writing in The Times, she said right-wing protests that became aggressive were often stopped, while “pro-Palestinian mobs” were permitted.

Referring to the right wing protests as protests, but referring to pro-Palestinian protests as ‘mobs’.

I can see who has a bias here, and it is not The Met.

[daws1159]

@WhiskeyNovember

This seems to be nothing more than an attempt to cause the police to lose their political independence.

Frankly I think the Commissioner should be out he front of NSY calling for her resignation live on Sky News. Telling the public he’s lost faith in her competence and sanity.

[WhiskeyNovember]

You misunderstand my comment; I’m talking about the current government being able to dictate to the police what they police and what they don’t.

It’s a dangerous precedent to set, as it would allow a government to use the police to halt political dissent, or protests against particular pieces of legislation; a key component of British democracy.

[JustCallMeFlight]

@WhiskeyNovember

It’s a dangerous precedent to set, as it would allow a government to use the police to halt political dissent, or protests against particular pieces of legislation; a key component of British democracy.

A majority government could sint pass legislation to do that anyway.

[WhiskeyNovember]

Yep, they could. But it’d be political suicide.

It’s much easier to villify one side of an argument, then hammer the police so that the public think the police are backing the side that you’re villifying and will blame the police when things inevitably become violent during those protests, forcing the police to shift the way they work with those groups going forwards.

Wait, why does that sound so familiar?

[JoeBloggs]

MPs making regular, overt criticisms of operational policing decisions is seriously getting concerning now.

[JustCallMeFlight]

Maybe the police leadership need to ask themselves why?

[JustCallMeFlight]

Douglas Murray blasts Gazans for cheering on as woman paraded half-naked

[WhiskeyNovember]

@JustCallMeFlight

Maybe the police leadership need to ask themselves why

Perhaps the self-reflection would be better carried out by government ministers?

Anyhow, we probably need to be a bit careful here. We’ve all seen how some people on this site respond to political debate.