“[Not] Promote their own religious or political ideals or beliefs to anyone.”
It’s in there because we understand that it’s good for harmony and creating a welcoming space for all, so the idea that we still have publications that read as the above do (similar to that RN policy I mentioned) isn’t acceptable in our modern organisation.
Yes. No one is forcing them to join. While we are hugely INclusive I think all organisations need to be a little bit EXclusive in order to maintain standards
I think for your position to hold there needs to be a really strong argument for maintaining certain blockers though.
What is the reason for saying a child who disagrees with a monarch has no place in this organisation?
What allegiance are you really expecting a 12 year old to swear?
Because it is the ROYAL air force air cadets
Because we use the symbol and authorities of the Crown liberally throughout the organisation
Because HM treasury is paying for it all
Because letting people into the organisation that fundamentally disagree with it’s principles is a recipe for disaster
Because cadets are children and have not got mature beliefs and therefore do not have the electoral franchise
Because campaigning against the monarchy is political and we don’t allow politics in the organisation as per your point above
I could go on (and sort of have) but you see my point
I had a cadet leave because he disagreed with the government stance on not legalising cannabis.
It’s a good life skill learning that not all people /organisations will bend to your specific way of thinking & that you can either conform & stay or leave & go else where.
Not everyone needs to be an air cadet or part of the cadet forces,
That is completely different. Someone disagreeing with an illegal activity is not the same as someone not agreeing with swearing allegiance to a monarch and suggesting otherwise is a little stretched I think.
For what it’s worth, I support the Royal Family and have no personal problem with me as an adult doing it, but I do think we should all have the choice.
Seems a cool down may be prudent?
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Not a fan of the royals, not a believer in god or religion. I find church services boring, with the old hymns every few minutes to get people to stand to ensure they do not fall asleep.
My children were christened and are now adults and have made their own minds up that they aren’t into the religion.
Due to my situation, visiting the Sqn twice a week and the odd weekend is 60% for me and 40% for the cadets.
The friendships I’ve made with staff members are a bonus and I get to do things I enjoyed as a Cadet.
My mental health isn’t rock bottom due to being a staff member of this organisation, and this organisation helps with my anxiety around people in general as I’m in a safe space around people I trust.
I have zero problems with people who are religious or are fans of the monarchy. Heck, I even have a couple of friends who are Trump supporters and I have to say, some of his minions are the worst of the worst 
Edit: Two birds one stone here - I do not sing the national anthem with it containing God and King. I fast forward through that if I can.
Perfect example of why focussing on what we’re actually here to provide is the best way to forge a close-knit community that can help the organisation thrive long-term.
I’m not religious but do live my life by Christian values in that I don’t steal, kill etc… not sure about the coverting my neighbour’s ox bit though.
Each to their own but I’m happy to live and let live although I live a secular life. I do respect other peoples beliefs even if I don’t share them. It’s an extremist mindset I can’t do with or any self righteous snobbery. Gets right up my nose.
That’s just contemporaneous language for ‘don’t steal’.
Isn’t it more about not being jealous? Otherwise that one would be a bit superfluous alongside don’t steal.
See, now you say you read the vanilla verions for them all - you have removed the choice of the cadets to use the version they want. And this is the crux, you’re removing choice. On the remembrance parade I attended this year, there were prayers yes, but they were lead one each by CofE, Islam and Judahism. The assembly was invited to say the Lord’s Prayer, but they didn’t have to. We sang traditional military hyms, “I vow to thee, my country” etc. England is still a CofE country, and that should be respected. It’s not forced, it’s optional. but it should be otional both ways. Our national anthem - which I am sure you scrapped singing is “God save our Gracious King” - it’s the national anthem.
It’s all linked. If you don’t want your neighbours things then you won’t steal them.
Now you mention it, if I’d been denied the opportunity to take the full oath of allegiance because of my attesting officer’s beliefs (or lack of them), I’d feel seriously cheated. I’d probably ask to do it again, properly.
God save the King - which god? Yours, theirs or anybody’s or none. At least it’s not the bloodthirsty French one.
As each individual defines it to themselves be it a supernatural deity, community ideology, natural philosophy, logical reasoning or law & justice. 
I would say God is capitalised,therefore we are not thinking Ra or Thor - they would be gods. The King is the Head of the Church of England, therefore I think we can infer it would be referring to the Christian (also Islamic and Jewish) God.
Edited to add, the King declared himself to be Defender of the Faiths - all religions, but he is still Head of the Church of England.