Utter rubbish, people trying to use AP amendment states to justify their power games.
How fantastic it is to see ex serving aircrew serving the cadet forces, and how brilliant for cadets to see and interact with those people who can talk about their service and the heritage and ethos of hard earned badges and insignia. And then some idiot “er you can’t wear that because it isn’t listed in AP…”
Just because you might think that it’s people playing ‘power games’ doesn’t mean it is…
So these aren’t the same CFAV that are wearing all manner of ‘tactical’ stuff, random MTP stuff and unit badges on MTP etc… then? They are all perfectly in line with the dress AP?
You all know you are squabbling over something that will probably end up in v4 of 1358c right?
Well, we don’t know do we… If we have a specific example… a specific person, then we could examine on a case-by-case basis.
But if all we’re doing is making wild generalisations then that doesn’t relate to anything, does it?
Whataboutism / two wrongs don’t make a right / they would be justifiably picked up for breaching regs just the same.
If you want to raise it, raise it with HQAC. See what they say. If you come across someone wearing something not in regs then take it up with them/your CoC.
If this deteriorates any further into petty squabbling over hypotheticals, stereotypes, and generalisations then I’ll lock it.
Folks please just stop. You are ALL missing the main point.
I can’t wear any wings DESPITE being a PPL holder!
Now that’s the real injustice.
As a civvy organisation I wonder if we should recognise those who hold any form of flying or gliding qualification. Just because it didn’t come from the RAF it doesn’t de-value the fact someone might have something to offer a Cadet who has a question.
Yes I think it would be a good idea to allow suitably qualified CFAV to wear the C wings. Could follow up with perhaps a half wing variant for those with professional drone qualifications.
I know someone in my wing asked the question if CPL. holder could hold the baby RAF/UAS/I’ve forgotten their name wings… Basically for told to go away
You mean the Primary Flying badge (known as the ‘Budgie Wings’)?
No. You must have done an approved RAF course of Flying instruction (ie UAS) to receive such. Furthermore you could only wear it as a RAFVR or RAFVR(T) member. As a Regular you could only wear it as a member of a UAS. Upon arriving at Cranditz you could no longer wear it.
QR727 is quite clear on this.
I wore it as a UAS member (I was on a University Cadetship and Commissioned as an A Plt Off) but had to remove it when I rocked up for IOT at Cranditz.
When I was Cdt our 2 i/c wore them because he was ex-UAS. Our OC wore the Navigator badge because he was an ex-Canberra Nav.
The difference is… Instead of ranting at a forum to people who can do nothing about it… They simply just asked the question to the people that could make a difference
Oh dear gods. Get over it, I am not ranting at you. I am merely stating the facts.
Quite
I have it on good authority QRs don’t apply to us? So, we could come up with or own rules? Cuts both ways really.
Since the enforced conversion to the CFC, QRs no longer apply to the Officers (they never applied to the NCOs). It’s notable that AEF members retain the VR(T) Commission (owing to accountability for HM’s Aircraft on the Military Register). Watch this space for unintended consequences such as the loss of access to the L98 (ie Section 5 Firearm).
Welcome to the Boy Scouts. 
If this is really the behaviour of ex regulars then I’m embarrassed to be one of you.
You know where the door is, it isn’t locked…
And locked