Disappointing news. Hope they find the disgusting human being
Seeing the post already trimmed, just a word of caution: everyone on here has their own little ideas of what they’d like to do to this chap, lets be careful about how this thread develops. Remember, the public and the press can see what is posted on here.
Chatting to a couple of other members of staff about this yesterday. Concensus was: “What a weirdo.”
Personally, I can’t help but think that the reason behind his ‘dissappearance’ is likely to be that he’s taken the ‘Mess Webley’ route, rather than face the courts.
Just for refferance the word b*****d is not a swear word only your interpretation of the way it is used is. Granted its not a nice word, but in the circumstance I felt it fitted quite well.
So I disapprove to the sensorship.
Would you really leave one member of staff, as it appears, with cadets at parties or doing sleepovers? Would you have as many parties or sleepovers as seems to be suggested? Personally I tend to find sleepovers a real waste of time, as cadets and staff very rarely get enough sleep to be of much use the following day. I’d sooner stay at home and go to bed early and then get up at silly o’clock, rather than try and sleep in a cadet hut.
Plus, a sleepover for Remembrance Parade, really? I’d laugh in the face of anyone who suggested it.
There also seems to be an excessive number of night exercises, and again the lack of other staff seems to be evident.
However another resounding fail for the CRB process. It doesn’t matter what organisation it is, there are stories like this cropping up from time to time and all of the offenders have been CRB cleared.
[quote=“yatesbury old boy” post=1310]Just for refferance the word b*****d is not a swear word only your interpretation of the way it is used is. Granted its not a nice word, but in the circumstance I felt it fitted quite well.
So I disapprove to the sensorship.[/quote]
I refer you to the AUP:
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12.15 Moderators decisions are final. If you wish to complain about moderation, in the first instance, contact the moderator directly, then an Admin, and finally DJRice. Moderating decisions will not be questioned in the open forums as this is unconstructive.[/quote]
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=1312]Would you really leave one member of staff, as it appears, with cadets at parties or doing sleepovers? Would you have as many parties or sleepovers as seems to be suggested? Personally I tend to find sleepovers a real waste of time, as cadets and staff very rarely get enough sleep to be of much use the following day. I’d sooner stay at home and go to bed early and then get up at silly o’clock, rather than try and sleep in a cadet hut.
Plus, a sleepover for Remembrance Parade, really? I’d laugh in the face of anyone who suggested it.
There also seems to be an excessive number of night exercises, and again the lack of other staff seems to be evident.
However another resounding fail for the CRB process. It doesn’t matter what organisation it is, there are stories like this cropping up from time to time and all of the offenders have been CRB cleared.[/quote]
Like I said: serious wierdness around this whole case.
As to the CRB process, it’s the old joke: it only proves you haven’t been caught. But what’s the alternative, psycho-social testing to weed out those most likely to offend?
The nature of offenders is diverse as well. We can all gasp in horror at ‘x number of concurrent ongoing investigations into breaches of ‘position of trust’’, but that includes everything from the true abusive predator like this to the 20/21 year old ex-cadet, now CI who kisses the 17 going on 18 year old cadet at a party thrown by mutual friends.
Which leads neatly into the ‘staff cadet’ issue. The law in England and Wales is clear on the fact that you can only be in a position of trust if you’re over 18, and that that position of trust applies to people under 18. Fair enough, ACO rules say that you cannot have a relationship with a cadet, even if they are a ‘staff cadet’ and therefore an adult, but people continue to blur this with the law by talking about being in a ‘position of trust’ vis a vis staff cadets. De facto, yes, de jure, no.
[quote=“Operation Claret” post=1314][quote=“yatesbury old boy” post=1310]Just for refferance the word b*****d is not a swear word only your interpretation of the way it is used is. Granted its not a nice word, but in the circumstance I felt it fitted quite well.
So I disapprove to the sensorship.[/quote]
I refer you to the AUP:
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12.15 Moderators decisions are final. If you wish to complain about moderation, in the first instance, contact the moderator directly, then an Admin, and finally DJRice. Moderating decisions will not be questioned in the open forums as this is unconstructive.[/quote][/quote]
A bit like Diplomatic Immunity, doesn’t make it right.
Have no interest in taking it off line, as its a fruitless exercise; you keep hiding behind AUP 12.5
YOB. What context did you use the word in? I very much doubt it was commenting on his parenting issues.
We do not allow swearing. You all know this, you all agreed to it and signing up. Most of you have asked for stricter moderation in the past. How do we win?
We will continue to remove swear words where we find them. If you don’t want the “tone” of your post changed, don’t use them in the first place! It isn’t hard!
Yet again heavy handed, high horse moderation. The “moderators” who hide behind made up names have much to learn about about modding a website. Crap moderation will do much more to kill a website than the odd bit of swearing.
You need to learn what this website is for. Staff and CADETS of the Air Training Corps. This ^ attitude does nothing to make this website open to cadets or endear us to the higher chains of command. Grow up.
Lets stay on topic (carefully) please.
Okay,
What I will say is that the picture the news agencies have is never going to help anyone find the bloke. Having met him I can say I didn’t recognise him from that picture. The public need an up-to-date image, of him in normal clothes.
[quote=“Operation Dynamo” post=1318]YOB. What context did you use the word in? I very much doubt it was commenting on his parenting issues.
We do not allow swearing. You all know this, you all agreed to it and signing up. Most of you have asked for stricter moderation in the past. How do we win?
We will continue to remove swear words where we find them. If you don’t want the “tone” of your post changed, don’t use them in the first place! It isn’t hard![/quote]
Again the word Bast***d is not a swear word. Its a legitimate (or should that read illegitimate) word found in many places including the Bible.
The words you substituted makes my post look like I mock the severity of the subject and turns it into a tongue in cheek joke.
If the public are reading this then I stand by original (non swearing) statement that I hope they find the Bast***d! As I condone his actions in the strongest way.
Unlocked.
Stay on topic please. If you wish to discuss something else, find the relevant topic, or start a new one if it doesn’t exist.
On topic.
I hope when they find him they drag him back to the UK behind a horse.
I hope when they find him he is arrested and jailed in the UK as per his sentence.
This is after all a civilised society we live in.
I was shocked and disgusted to read this story. Those cadets and their parents must have lost all faith on our organisation. We are here to protect cadets and the fact this ‘person’ abused his position of authority is sickening.
I hope he gets caught and the worst possible sentence handed to him. I also hope those related to the situation in anyway can move on and understand this one sick individual doesn’t reflect on the positive things we do as a whole!
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=1312]Would you really leave one member of staff, as it appears, with cadets at parties or doing sleepovers? Would you have as many parties or sleepovers as seems to be suggested? Personally I tend to find sleepovers a real waste of time, as cadets and staff very rarely get enough sleep to be of much use the following day. I’d sooner stay at home and go to bed early and then get up at silly o’clock, rather than try and sleep in a cadet hut.
Plus, a sleepover for Remembrance Parade, really? I’d laugh in the face of anyone who suggested it.
There also seems to be an excessive number of night exercises, and again the lack of other staff seems to be evident.[/quote]Agreed. The sorts of goings on listed in the article really should have set some alarm bells ringing, and it’s why people need to stick closely to standards.
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=1312]However another resounding fail for the CRB process. It doesn’t matter what organisation it is, there are stories like this cropping up from time to time and all of the offenders have been CRB cleared.[/quote]I don’t think that it is. The CRB process as a simple procedure makes sense, and is something of a no-brainer. If we had let a member of staff with a previous conviction have access to cadets without doing any sort of check, then there would be an outcry and rightly so.
The important point to remember about the CRB is that it’s basically like an MoT - accurate at the date that it’s produced, and it’s not an absolute guarantee of safety. As part of a multi-pronged approach to child protection it does its job, although it could be improved by ensuring that organisations are informed of any changes.
Another demonstration that the Bail Act is written the wrong way round. He (like many before him) should have been held in custody, but once again our legal system let him wander off.