Gliding "paused"


Here you go

There were also requirements for nuclear-armed aircraft to be officer only.


Some of the worst managers that I’ve seen have been pilots, as a JO they only really have to manage themselves until they get to S/L.


That’s hilarious, £30K+ to play what is in effect the ultimate computer game.


Where do I sign?


On the dotted line, the one that says you might have to kill in the course of your duties…


I’m down with that, but I think I may be too old and don’t really want to live in Lincolnshire.
The police aren’t contracting freelance snipers either :frowning:


NCO pilots in the AAC - in the main a very different way of operating. The AAC use a very different “business model” in the way they operate and how they use their manpower. This is illustrated by the CBAT (aptitude scores) required by either service to be taken into flying training - the RAF’s is significantly higher than the AAC’s.:slight_smile:

As for other RPAS - no different to operating an armed fast jet other than not being in the aircraft.


You’ve just let slip your actual grasp and understanding of what goes on, haven’t you?

Virtually none at all.

As for pilots being managers: it’s an ability to comprehend the whole business. Many of those who reach the top demonstrate leadership in very demanding conditions. Some even have had the opportunity to do whilst in the highest personal danger, which, in the RAF, most other branches do not.

They also tend to be the high achieving types too. Having had personal experience of the last two CAS I think they have chosen very well.

On the subject of why we don’t have SNCO pilots? It would be a retrograde step. CRM and “cockpit gradient” issues have killed enough people (across aviation, medicine and god knows how many other industries) without artificially introducing a another, larger element of rank gradient at the same time.


I’d take issue with that! Most NCO/WO pilots (in fact, almost certainly all) have come up through the ranks of the AAC; in RAF terms they’re the equivalent of techies and WSOps. They’re far from being infanteers.

The officers on the other hand may well have come from other units (eg Prince Harry was originally a cavalry officer) and so are more likely to have an appreciation of the ground situation.


Most AAC NCO pilots come up from other regiments, quite a few from the REME and RE (the tech background in these lends itself to aviation I suppose) and others from the infantry and cavalry Regts etc. Some are relatively experienced SNCOs but most are very much like RAF Aircrew Sgts (and before training were Cpl/LCpl equivalent).

The officers tend to be a bit more of a mix, with a reasonable split of those coming from other Regts or from within the administrative/support area of the AAC, and the rest being direct entry AAC officers.


I would suggest there is a world of difference between sitting in a aircraft for x hours doing several hundred MPH to sitting in a room in front of a in effect a TV screen showing a camera view of somewhere 1000s of miles away, where you could have a mug of tea and some biccies and nip out to the loo and then maybe have someone take over at the end of your shift. Let’s be honest if the drone you were flying was hit by some ordnance you wouldn’t have the same trauma.

As for managing things, I’m still not convinced. Many of the senior officers in the RAF have been in charge or involved with some of the projects that have run horrendously over budget and time and led to the situation we are in today. Or do we just get those at the top who have been in the side lines and managed to avoid the finger of blame? Quite how OC 2FTS has managed to stay in his job is astounding, I’m surprised he hasn’t got a gong in the NY or BH list over the last 2½ years.


No comment. I know a few people who worked for him before he formed 2FTS.


Army Air Corps has approx. 362 Regular Officers and 135 Late Entry Officers.
Source: The Army List

Of course there are Officers from other Units attached who are not included.


Sarge, sorry I am not fully aware of army protocols etc and was only quoting what was in the book.

What’s the difference between regular and late entry officers??


Late Entry Officers are commissioned from the ranks and because of their experience they are usually commissioned as Captains. There after they progress to higher ranks.


Thanks for that information


Back on topic please people


Dear Pot, what colour is the Kettle?


This rather depends how you count them. Kids who are interested in flying join the ATC, so a lot of ex cadets become pilots (in proportion to the population). However most of these ex-cadet pilots are now actually getting their training in civil schemes. Two of our cadets took the initiative and went along to the local gliding club and in an exchange of work for flying spent most of the summer in the air. A cadet from another squadron doing the same thing will be an instructor next summer. These kids happened to be in the ATC, but it was the BGA clubs that trained them at their expense.

BGA clubs have always trained teenagers and sent them solo as soon as they are old enough.


Is English not your first language, or are you deliberately misunderstanding a well written text?