Gliding "paused"

It was best used on a windy day on the tripod - you properly saw & felt the affects of the control surfaces without all the launches using a bungee rope or crashing on the 1st XI cricket pitch.

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Thatā€™s not the win the media team think it isā€¦

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A bit later than planned, I have sent the reminderā€¦ :wink:

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Good luckā€¦

We can but try - the previous problem was 2TFS staff resources at the time, carrying out all the due diligence for the new ACPS tender / contract.

No ACPS = resources should be availableā€¦

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Hoist with Oneā€™s Own Petard

Theyā€™ll have some other cock and bull excuse ready to go now

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I got a rather abrupt - the IBN (05-22) says NO, & go through CoCā€¦

So, I (politely) pointed out that CoC = irrelevant as this was the level of comms previously (&I doubted if I had started at the bottom if any missive would have hit his desk); moreover, as OC2FTS indicated that he would ā€œcheck resourcesā€ after ACPS sorted, that negated any aspects of the previous IBN. I asked for a link to the Teams recording so i can check my memory (which I know is correct :smiling_imp:).

New IBN - pointing out V22 of ACTO32.

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Iā€™m truly baffled as to how a 18 year old gold wings FSC, with 30ish launches and gliding hours you can count on 2 hands, can be considered safer than a 52 year old BGA instructor with 1000ā€™s of launches and 100ā€™s of hours?

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I would assume the cadet has a harder time maintaining currency too.

There arent going to be any gold wings FSCs with 30 launches flying anyone else

A cadet with Gold wings cannnot fly a cadet they need a minimum of Grade 1 pilot (G1) gold equates to completing the AGT and going towards G2 work up

I stand correctedā€¦.but you get my point about vastly differing experience levels.

Having seen this conversation:

I can well imagine that the following could easily have occurredā€¦

why is it so hard for the two organisation overseen by the same sponsor have such a different outlook on activities and risk?

is it anyone wonder there is ā€œone bookā€ but 900 (Squadron) ways of interpreting it if there is such a vast chasm between what is considered a permitted activity between two similar organisations (the ATC and ACF)?

Well, we have a ā€œresponseā€ to why everyman and his dog can use private gliding clubs but we canā€™t:

The response from the HQ is on the Teams Channel.

Basically, we donā€™t care, we wonā€™t listen, we know best and screw you all. Not from RC(N), heā€™s done his best to get a reply, but youā€™ll note that OC2FTS couldnā€™t even be bothered to post his own reply to that and had to be chased by RC(N) to get anything. Utter contempt.

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What a load of rubbish. Technically, the statement is true. Our position has been clearly articulated, ie, weā€™re not allowed. But the reasons why ACF can and we canā€™t is still a mystery. The response from the Fg Off on there is spot on:

either:

ā€œThe RAF donā€™t have capacity to safety check these sites. The Army do, but we donā€™t accept their assurance checks.ā€

or

ā€œThe RAF donā€™t have capacity to safety check these sites, and the ACF are being dangerous by not conducting their own checks. Instead they rely on CAA/BGA regulatory systems which are not sufficient to ensure safety when flying.ā€

If itā€™s the former, then the follow up question is why donā€™t we accept the ACF checks on gliding sites?

If itā€™s the latter, then the follow up question is why isnā€™t the MOD stopping ACF cadets gliding if civilian regulation is so dangerous?

That really needs answering.

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The response has made me genuinely angry. Iā€™m fighting hard to not reply as Iā€™d like to and be more professional about it. I want to ask what part of RISE that weā€™re supposedly held to allows someone to write that response, not even put their name to it and leave it? Itā€™s disrespectful, it shows no integrity, it does not put the service before their own self interests and itā€™s one of the least excellent things weā€™ve ever done. Iā€™m seething.

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I see there is already a deleted reply underneath RC Northā€™s, so Iā€™d guess someone has already said something they shouldnā€™t haveā€¦

Yes, a shame we canā€™t see it really. Maybe the person who posted it will write it here instead.

The interesting bit on there though is that RC North is suggesting we could do scholarship type grants from the CWC to allow flying at a BGA site. AFAIK this was explicitly not allowed. So again, the statement that our position has been clearly articulated is a load of rubbish,.

@MikeJenvey is this not something that was suggested but shot down?