Gliding "paused"

Why should they? Many staff don’t have an interest in aviation, other than maybe going on holiday.

Although it as you say not helped by extremely poor resources if they want to learn it, however, if you have them, give them the old books as the subject matter hasn’t changed, because the science and what happens when you move controls surfaces hasn’t changed. Then sit down with them and explain to help them along and then get them in front of a class, everyone’s got to start somewhere.

In fairness even if you try and self teach from any respectable PPL books PoF is still a handful… without having it explained by someone that knows what they’re talking about the quality of resource makes little difference.

I’ve not really had a problem teaching it with a few models and the PowerPoint, but look forward to it going into the more interactive style that we have seen for airmanship.

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Agreed, however it can certainly make things more confusing than they need to be, which the PoF powerpoints do imho.

must have dropped off reading that one…

I sit corrected!

Not sure if uploaded before.

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I might have had some input to that article… :smiling_imp:

Waiting for some more details, so I can push some more information to my friendly Baroness, to see what written questions can be raised.

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To be honest, I think we need to accept what has happened and make sure we make the most of what we have now.

In particular what is the future of Flying / Gliding at the end of life of the current airframes, we can’t afford to decrease output further, that should be a clear line in the sand.

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Yes. But we also need to properly investigate how this clusterflip happened and hold people accountable for an absolute catastrophe of providing the cadet experience and waste of tax payer money. I don’t want JM getting away scott free with his pension.

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A ‘red line’ if you will…

Yeah because the powers that be stick to those!
:man_facepalming::man_facepalming::man_facepalming:

Totally agree. Far from the best outcome but if we don’t it will drag the whole organisation down.

Did the great winged race complain when every other aircraft platform disappeared or the shootie people complain when we stopped using the .303 :man_shrugging:t2::roll_eyes:

As ever SM has generated a platform for people to vent their spleen in public.

Will it change anything; no.

It’s not just about the loss of the platform, it’s about systematic failings of an entire system in maintaining the aircraft and then in recovering the aircraft followed by effectively paying someone to take them away.

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There is also the grant of 3/4 of a million pounds that was also a part of the deal.

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and what exactly is that???

Pandemic aside we’re 6 years on from the “pause” and although the “return” began it is hardly a success story given the numbers it is engaging with…

I think that we need to accept that what has happened is the end of Gliding, move the budget elsewhere and be done with it. Rather than continuing to throw money at an activity which is supposed to be for all that at great cost fails to provide for the majority of Cadets.

that is a dangerous suggestion

#JuniorLeaders
#QAIC

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Not to mention the safety risks and implications of a contractor not able to tell which airframes were airworthy at the time when flying children.

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Those programs aren’t designed for everyone, they are aimed at our top end Cadets. VGS like AEF is aimed at everyone, so if it’s not delivering (which it isn’t) then it needs to be pulled.

Or properly funded and organised to enable it to achieve its key function.

Personally, I would sack off all super camps, QAIC, JL, any other white elephant projects and vanity projects including national choir.

Use that money to put Air back in to air cadets.

Either that or call it a day on the flying and gliding front and just stop providing it entirely. Refocus that money on other things like shooting, dofe, adv trg etc and just accept that it was good whilst it worked, it doesnt now so let’s move on.

I would rather stop having to apologise and justify why we CANT get cadets in the air, and not have it at all but instead many other decent fully funded opportunities for ALL my cadets.

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I wouldn’t call the Super Camps white elephants, I’ve had Cadets go to the Aerospace Camp and the Shooting Camp and from the feedback I got I’d rather see more of that style of Camp than traditional annual camps moving forward. As for QAIC & JL, I don’t have an issue spending money on a top tier course for our older and more productive Cadets, I think it sits within the Corps aims and it’s important to have something for our older Cadets to aspire to.

AEF has its issues but those are mostly Air Traffic related and it’s something that can still be saved, VGS however is still completely broken, I would either stop throwing good money after bad while it limps on or do away with the low level gliding experience and focus solely on what would’ve been the old Silver Wings.

Make it like JL and QAIC and aim gliding solely at our higher end Cadets with proper courses aimed at getting them solo and bin everything below that. Retaining AEF for the more Junior Cadets to go up for Jolly’s.