RAF hasn’t had navigators for decades. What was that about keeping up with change…?
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In your sense perfectly agree, however there are some do Gooders who think they are helping but are not, the whole airman/aviator is a prime example i am sure someone thought they are doing good by changing to aviator but surely this has just caused more confusion so that type of do gooder is the one I am referring to. Those who actually do good by means of charities helping etc have 100% support from all. Anyhow back on topic aviator gender appears to depend on what dictionary is used
WSO’S then if you want to be a pedant
I think it’s good.
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Yeah… No.
It’s easy to say that you don’t give a hoot if you’re male, because you’ve not spent your career being referred to as a different gender. I’m sure if male personnel were referred to as Aircraft Women, you would feel exactly the same?
Also, it’s also easier to say you don’t give a hoot because you believe there is zero prospect of changing the situation. You might believe that to do otherwise would label you as a serial complainer, and have career implications.
As for the term Aviator. It’ll take some getting used to, but I believe that benefits will outstrip the tiny bit of effort it takes for people to get used to using a new term.
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Its not about a new term, its about the choice of words thexwhole point of gender neutral us just that but guess some missed the point
As mentioned above yes, technically if you go back to the Latinised root Aviator is for men and Aviatrix is for women. But other than old fashioned lawyers/law lecturers writing overly complex documents so they can show off and charge more than necessary nobody really bothers about using Executrix/Aviatrix/Testatrix. In day to day use Aviator is a gender neutral term. With it being a word “borrowed” from another language it’s a lot easier for it to become gender neutral than it is for AirMAN to become gender neutral.
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Perhaps…
We should just call everyone ‘pilot’.
- It’s gender neutral.
- Will annoy the winged master race.
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I’ll stick with ‘yes boss’ I think 
How about “Skipper”?
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Supreme Commander?
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That’s a 10/10 game right there.
On the firs point do people really care? I suspect not, the most common responses from people is eye rolling and head shaking.
On the second purely hypothetical and pointless thing to say.
I read that the BRITS is dropping having male and female awards to appease those who don’t identify by their chromosomal gender. Apparently Sam Smith couldn’t get an award due to his desire to be “neutral”. I thought it saves money and time as you will just get one award dished out per category, but what it actually does is deny someone recognition for their work, which can be career damaging in something as fickle as the music industry. How many times has a male or female received an award and their career taken off sue to the recognition it brings? This is where this whole thing will lead, with one or other biological sex groups losing out, to appease a minority.
Think of all the awards dished out with male and female categories and as in the paper yesterday a photo from the 30th Women in Film and Television Awards, what if there was neutral woman denied an award, where do these go then, do they just become Film and Television Awards.
As for the RAF some may poke fun at old boys, but these are men who are extremely proud of their service and those we revere at certain times of the year and then there are the women who are quite defensive about being WRAF. So from a point in time all newcomers have the neutral prefix and those from before allowed to decide how they title themselves.
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Suspect all you want. The next time you’re at work, try addressing all the males as “young lady, or Ma’am”, and all the women as “Young man, or Sir”. See how indifferent people actually are…
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That’s kind of my point. By giving your personnel job titles that do not represent who they are as people, you are not addressing them as
I work in a school and it is a bit different, but male staff are “Sir” or Mr and females “Mam” or Miss or Mrs. I am positive that if there were any anomalies, we would know.
One of the physics teachers unless he knows their name refers to students as “oi you” and points. He got caught out when he covered a lesson as a girl had said she wanted to be referred to in a neutral manner and referred to her as young lady when she was messing around. He said it caused all sorts of faff, when he was questioned on it, he said there was nothing on the system to say this. I must admit I like that degree of referencing neutrality. In my short time working in education, it seems there is an air of secrecy about all manner of things, in the name of safeguarding, which I get, but something like this needs to be broadcast to all to avoid problems.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
Sorry Madam, I’m afraid you’re incorrect.
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It really isn’t… The fact that people like you think it is, shows exactly why change has to be pushed.
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