So if I zero my rifle to the CZP on the zeroing chart and then move to 200m and fire you’re telling me the rounds won’t land on the POA?
No, Quite the reverse as long as you substitute 300m for 200m.
Okay… provide a reference point in any service pamphlet for what you’re saying… as I’ve checked the L85 PAM and the L98 PAM and see no mention of that.
Pam 5
What would I know, I’ve only been around the SA80 WS family (including professionally) for 29 years. You obviously know better. 
Para reference for PAM 5? No good just giving a pamphlet.
Oh no. You don’t get me doing your work for you. Go look it up.
That’s the thing, I’ve checked the pamphlet that supersedes PAM 5 already and there is no reference to what you are saying. So what you’re are saying is either wrong or you’re just out of date which is why I want the PAM 5 reference.
My only thinking is that you are referencing the older A1 platform which may have had a 300m setting instead of 200.
Never fired the L98A1.
The Pam 5 clearly stated that for the L85A1 on Iron sights that one zeroed to 300m
I’m referring to the L85 A1 also, and I suspect you are referring to an old pamphlet and not the latest L85 PAM or indeed the L98/L85 A2.
Happy for you to prove otherwise but until I see a reference detailing what you are saying then I can only take what is written down in the current literature.
It’s worth noting the sights on the A1 are not the same as the A2 and they are not interchangeable.
As I said, I never fired the L981A1.
I’ve merely been professionally around the SA 80 Family since 1991.
I fired the prototype at was School of Infantry at Warminster in 1982.
But you, of course, as ever with the Air Cadet Organisation , you know better.
You are yet to prove that I don’t know better.
As ever with the air cadet organisation someone who appears to be old and bold is failing to provide a reference to something that is likely out of date information and is relying on ‘I know better because I’ve done it for longer sonny’.
You’ve also made a lot of assumptions about your age, my age and my relevant experience, a somewhat narrow minded approach.
I would love to be proven wrong here and learn something that is not known but at the moment that’s not happening.
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I’m going to shout “Topic!” at this point.
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Ok, a teeny bit off-topic…
Whilst an instructor at Cranditz, student officers had to arrange a project day / weekend, ideally to help out some poor souls or generally “do good” if possible.
One of my cadets approached me, & asked if she could coordinate a project on base, no public aspects possible. Oh no, said I, has to a “helping out” project, guidelines, blah blah.
Then she explained that her father was boss of the Design Team for (as was then) the new SA80, & could bring weapons / ammo to Cranditz for a day on the range; this was right in the infancy of the project too, not even sure if many Army types had even got their hands on them. Quick call to the Rocks, who immediately started drooling, & her “project” was approved. 
Had a full day on the 25m range, me + 10 baby officers, & a few Rocks. Several examples of the SA80 (& the cut-down shorter-barrel version - primarily for APC / reduced space vehicles, etc), & LSW. We had a blast. Prototype manufacturing quality was excellent - not a single stoppage all day, thousands of rds, despite all of us being new to the weapons. All very accurate too, nearly all of us were regularly popping in less than half inch groups for 5 rds.
So, I can say I have experienced the rifle system very much from the outset - but thank goodness, never fired the L98A1! I doubt if we will see a cadet version of the L85A3 though.
[Best “service” rifle I’ve fired - Steyr AUG - smooth as silk, & of course can be adjusted for left handers, with inter-changeable barrels.]
Yeah, the differences are too expensive and make little difference to Cadet firing. The ACF are using the L85 A3 as a replacement for the L86 though so we might see some creep in at the high end of the CISSAM stuff.
To be honest, I’m with @bob1
Both the L98a2 and SA80 manuals both state the iron sights are set at 200M (and the pic in the SA80 pam shows the sight to be stamped with ‘200’ quite clearly.
Why would the Army publish duff gen in its pamphlets?
I remember that back in the day (for me 1988) the SA80 was I thought a great weapon after using the SMG.
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