Fig 29 target

In my experience you’re incredibly lucky if you can get the armoury to give you one.

They are allocated to RAF AC in the armoury so shouldn’t be an issue. All the ones I’ve asked have handed them over without question.

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Yes, you’re right of course; Though, it often still was.
It has been a while since I’ve even bothered asking so it may be that now the situation is better.
I suspect that there are a lot of other staff who don’t bother asking these days because it was often such a ball-ache in the past.

Bwa ha ha ha!!! :rofl: :laughing::joy:

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CLF 3 and 4 are about basic application of fire. The point I am making is that with the L98 (and L85) with iron sights fitted, if you zero the weapon to its ideal engagememnt range of 300m (despite the fact that the rearsight is marked 200m), and you do so at 25m (because you don’t have access to a long range (eg Station Guard Force), then the rounds go 25mm below POA.

So what do you use as the POA? In the days of the Fig 11 you could discuss the CZP and POA on the target, now you can’t.

As we are zeroing the rifle on a 25m range for use at 25m on the same range, lets zero the rifle with a PoA and fire at that PoA, expecting the MPI to be around that PoA!

I’m not preparing cadets for battle, so the No29 is adequate and 300m be damned for now!

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Excuse my ignorance… a what now?

It’s a optical gizmo that you can use to boresight / adjust a rifle sight in order to move the sight to known values.

Typical video here.

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So what is the point of cadets using a Service rifle then

'Cos that’s what there is & “relatively speaking,” accessible to most cadets. :wink:

So if you are going to use a Service Rifle, it makes sense to use it as a Service Rifle. A target rifle the L98 is not!

The L144A1 is also a “service rifle” and has tunnel sights for use with the appropriate targets, with a blade foresight insert for more bladey targets.

The nomenclature of the rifle is not what determines how it is usedn

Personally, I always prefer to set a weapon up to hit the target I’m using at the distance I’m using.

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Utter rubbish!

Hint: The L144A1 is termed the Cadet Small Bor Target Riflr. The fact that it is provided by MOD doe not make it a ‘Service Rifle’.

Same. In fact, it is how I would personally define “zeroing” :slight_smile:

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Well, for cadets, it is - & of course, for many of the Service Wpn competitions at Bisley, a number of the competition phases are “pure” tgt shooting, rather than rapid / snap, etc.

I could manage a 6" group at 600 yds with “my” L85 at Bisley. :wink:

(Could do slightly better with the SLR. :grin:)

And that’s fine, but the L98 (being the cadet version of the L85) is not designed for use at 25m!

So what? It’s at least 90% of what we do.

I know I blew peoples minds talking about a collimator but you could use a zeroing chart instead of a 29 if you were that bothered exactly as Rifle Lesson 14 demonstrates. Then you have a POA, the CZP and sight adjustments all conveniently marked and the Cadet can take it home with them.

25mm below is for 200m as marked on the sight. 22mm below is for Susat which is 300m.

We DO use a zeroing chart.

And you are wrong. Despite the iron sights being marked 200m, you are zeroing to 300m which is the ideal engagement range for 5.56mm NATO.