DofE Drama in a Wing that shall remain nameless

Our purpose: we help young people build life-long belief in themselves, supporting them to take on their own challenges, follow their passions, and discover talents they never knew they had. Because when you prove to yourself that you’re ready for anything, nothing can hold you back.

taken from https://www.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/DofE_Strategy_edited.pdf

Not all of that can be achieved through the other four elements

For your Expedition section, you will need to plan, train for and complete an unaccompanied, self-reliant expedition with an agreed aim.

taken from Sections - The Duke of Edinburgh's Award

for me it was “sold” as learning the skills to go out and camp over a 24 hour period (Bronze) so i had the skills and understanding/knowledge should I want to later in life.
now it might not sound obvious but attending a music festival could be one of those occasions - it is unlikely anyone will be considering being totally self-sufficient at a music festival but at least there is knowledge on what might be required and skills in knowing what is the right kit etc.
that is a more “everyday” example for the “average” 20-something but for those who want to do more “AT” stuff when else do they learn it but in their youth?

I also understand it was included to give those “inner city kids” the chance to get into the countryside, to visit it and see what is in the countryside

TBH the whole scheme can and often does appear to be like that. I recall my Bronze was a tick box exercise, but as so much of the Cadet experience is relevant there is little “extra” effort to put in - as a Scout prior to Cadets I had all the map reading and camping skills I needed, the one “new” element was carrying the kit on my back.

the DofE scheme is voluntary and so those who are taking part should be doing so because they want to be there. the phrase “no pain, no gain” comes to mind.

unfortunately this is something many Squadrons miss - and i suggest it is down to a lack of resource/time.
As great as it would be to see all cadets get their Bronze level NNAS prior to a DofE exped, it requires CFAV time and effort to put that together, and Cadet interest to take part - and the availability to do so with everything else going on.

I have see DofE practise groups come to a t-junction (so a 50-50 decision) and make the wrong turn despite all the evidence pointing them in the correct decision such was the level of their map reading and navigation skills…for many the practise is where ALL the learning takes place not in 3-4 day walks leading up to the expeditions.

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Quick query. Three months on, and firmly into expedition season, are there learning points which people need to be made aware of to stop the same “mistakes” happening again?

You know; coz we’re a just, learning organisation and all that jazz.

#askingforafriend

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I suppose given that the details of the full issues were never released, we shall never know…

Nope.

DofE has been obliterated in the unnamed Wing - except for individual sqns who have their own set up - and there’s no remedy in sight. Those staff that were involved won’t touch the activity again.

One of the biggest Wings in the country (by number of cadets) now has no central DofE scheme.

By force or choice?

By choice, they’ve been massively disengaged.

Who isn’t these days?

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Good on them in my view.

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Good on them. Ridiculous situation.

I feel for the cadets who are affected by this, but I fully support the staff involved here.

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I should add, that I’ve received some requests for help (I’m in a neighbouring Wing), but the sad thing is, I question whether I should support this. My worry is two-fold:

  1. I don’t want to provide an easy solution based on how the CFAV have been treated. I think this needs to be allowed to become a larger issue, so that the issue comes to the attention of relevant persons Nationally, and it can be examined as an exercise to learn from.

  2. I don’t want to put my staff through additional loopholes, scrutiny etc by the Wing/Region involved with this drama.

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“In the event of an emergency, please affix your own oxygen mask before helping other passengers with theirs” - sometimes the fire fighting needs to be stopped and the wild fire allowed to develop to create the changes needed for positive growth to start

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And as you would carefully brief those CFAV and if they were sensible in full view of what has happened I suspect would, unsurprisingly, say ‘not a hope’. Any uniformed could say no in the light of now being CFC nor VRT.

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Some ones went full nuclear, sure it will be an interesting read if they actually release it. DofE Award issue - a Freedom of Information request to Air Cadet Organisation - WhatDoTheyKnow

Yes, but it’s been noted that since nobody here has said what Wing is involved, that there are reasonable grounds for them to dismiss the FOI as not having enough information.

All it would take is someone posting the name of the Wing in this thread, however…

Do the request in two stages.

First request the number of formal complaints involving DofE for the last year broken down by wing.

All formal complaints are logged, should be easy to identify.

Then you can put the request in regarding bumblebee wing (although could you just do North region as that is the level the complaint was dealt with)

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Issue with the first suggestion if the number of complaints is less than 5 I believe it is rounded down to 0 anyway. So probably wouldn’t be much help.

see now this makes sense - i heard it was Greater Manchester Wing… :thinking:

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So that’s what all the buzz was about?

Ms J Mendick-Smith, you may want to amend the FOI and mention this specific Wing… Much more likely to actually get a reply!

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