Hello this is my first post.
Im soon to become a CI once i pass Board.
I was wondering the issue with wearing ‘greens’ as a CI at camps/weekend camps/shooting/flying etc. I have seen the ACP and says its incomplete …
Im guessing its Wing/Sgn dependent at the moment
my understanding is that its officially verboten - there was a ‘shall not’ commandment - however the flip side was that the Sqn’s ignore it in order to do business (the commandment ignores the fact that DTE will only allow people wearing DPM/MTP to train on their land, and that the ACO requires CI’s to wear it for some range cources…). i imagine the only who-does-what is to what degree each wing ignores it on wing events, but it seems to me that WHQ’s turn a blind eye to what happens on the Sqn’s…
I believe the AP was written without the exceptions included on purpose. Currently officially CIs don’t wear greens except for Shooting courses when everyone is required to wear it. And road marching events when the unique dress regs which apply only to those events (which enable a myriad of weird uniform abominations to be worn) come into play.
Remember the eleventh commandment. Thou shalt not get caught.
That’s what i was thinking, maybe more so on Sqn weekend Camps
I mean why is there a MTP CI rank slide if u cant wear greens 
Because it’s made by a company more interested in profits than the whims of the organisation?
[quote=“CSF” post=20405]That’s what i was thinking, maybe more so on Sqn weekend Camps
I mean why is there a MTP CI rank slide if u cant wear greens ;)[/quote]
Don’t wear those! How do you expect to not break the eleventh commandment if you wear a rank slide which lets everyone know what you really are!
Amateurs.
[quote=“CSF” post=20402]Hello this is my first post.
Im soon to become a CI once i pass Board.
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Missed this, due to all the camoflage…you’re being Wg boarded, as selection process to become a CI??
Is this now standard?
wilf_san
He’s probably referring to the board of an OC and a WSO which prospective CIs now have to go through before being appointed. Not quite a Wg board in the sense you mean.
The only time I would wear combats of any kind would be during fieldcraft.
no interest in wearing it otherwise.
[quote=“RearAdmiralScrinson” post=20437]The only time I would wear combats of any kind would be during fieldcraft.
no interest in wearing it otherwise.[/quote]
In that case and if you were a CI, you wouldn’t be permitted to attend a SAAI or RCO course.
i forget the relevant ACP now but it does state “can only be worn on a SAAI course”
ie when you are a student on the SAAI course looking to gain the qualification.
all other shooting/weapons training situations (ie other courses or on a range/in the classroom) it is not permitted
Other places where CIs can wear uniform; either no2 or no3
CI can wear uniform in a band.
CI can wear uniform while marching in Nijmegen.
CI wear uniform while marching in the RAF 2 Day.
Why should CIs wear a combat jacket on a SAAI course if they can’t at any other time, even when firing? It seems like I am missing the logic.
If the rule is that CIs don’t wear uniform, then that should be that, no exceptions.
Why should CIs wear a combat jacket on a SAAI course if they can’t at any other time, even when firing? It seems like I am missing the logic.
If the rule is that CIs don’t wear uniform, then that should be that, no exceptions.[/quote]
But that isn’t the rule. The exceptions are listed in the post above your own.
Sorry, perhaps my post wasn’t that clear. What I was asking was WHY are CIs supposed to (or entitled to) wear CS95/MTP on a SAAI course when they don’t wear it for anything else involving weapons?
ok here goes with the regs now i have the time
AP1358c states
[quote]para0221
Civilian Instructors Padres are not to wear CS95/PCS-MTP or any other DPM clothing. They are to wear appropriate / equivalent hard wearing civilian clothing
[/quote]
and so
[quote]para0222
CS95 Authorised Ensemble.
When authorised to wear and except where a specific order of dress has been prescribed through the OC Wg/Wg Ex O/Sqn Ldr CCF HQAC , only the approved CS95 ensemble, as detailed below, is to be worn [/quote]
which to me reads like there IS Wing discretion on how/when No3 uniform can be worn
and for reference
[quote] para 0223
Civilian Instructors attending Skill at Arms Instructor courses may wear CS95/PCS-MTP during training periods and ranges
only. It is not to be worn outside the training environment e.g. transit to and from messes and accommodation on Military units[/quote]
i find the the interesting part in that line is it indicates “SAAI Course…ranges”, in the weekends and i attended and others i know there was no range attendance as part of the SAAI course!
see 0223 above
following my SAAI course it is an “instructors uniform” to be wearing a smock and so incorporated into the SAAI training (delivery or receiving)
I’ve often heard it claimed that is is PPE…
Is it bullet-proof? If so, I might be inclined to agree, otherwise…
[quote=“steve679” post=20579]
following my SAAI course it is an “instructors uniform” to be wearing a smock and so incorporated into the SAAI training (delivery or receiving)[/quote]
But only for the SAAI course and not for weapon training for cadets, as per the wording of 0223. So CIs wear a CS95/MTP smock on the SAAI course but at no point afterwards once they have passed. Just seems very strange to me!
Ah yes, that old one. Utter polldarks.
We see that here a lot and one only needs common sense to see that it’s rubbish. However for some that’s not enough… JSP 886 is fairly prescriptive about what constitutes PPE, and standard combat uniform most certainly isn’t it!