Interesting change to align more to the parent service.
I was just reading this on Facebook. I’ll be honest, I’m confused which are the new terms and which are the old? 
No more reference to “instructor” in all the ranks, which I’ve always thought was a bit odd.
Shame they’re still starting everything at SNCO though.
Shame they changed RSM to WO1 and CSM to WO2, i was thinking not too long ago having it tied to their role
although doubtless thats not how it worked anyway…
Interestingly, we were always colloquially referred to as SNCOs, sergeant, staff / colour, CSM, RSM, etc, anyway.
In my day, Adult Instructor (AI) was the course at Frimley Park to promote from sgt to ssgt (csgt in our infantry badged coy) and SI, SSI, SMI, RSMI, were just used in official paperwork.
Ironically, those are all appointments in the SASC and RAPTC: so there always was a link to the parent service.
The WO2s assisting the coy commanders will still be known as CSMs, the WO1 as RSM, etc. We also had an RQMS and MTWO who, despite being SMIs on paper, wore the crown and laurels and were referred to by their appointments.
Not going to change any time soon as it would need change with all three.
interesting thing this has thrown up is the CCF appointment of School Staff Instructor is being renamed causing a major kick off & because its an employed role someone’s pressed the union consultation button.,
I feel although the bigger issue is that 1 cadet force refuses to give cadets any rank above an OR-6 equivalent
@Baldrick do you know why SCC cadets do’nt go above PO, when even the other Sea Cadets and RM Cadets in the VCC do so?
Is this violated on a local level where CO’s will just appoint CPOs and WOs when no-ones looking?
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I think that chart is missing a rank? One minute.
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Yeah, we have more ratings at the bottom effectively.
We have new entry cadet, cadet first class and ordinary cadet all before Able.
The whole system is entirely different as well, it’s more akin to classifications in the ATC than a purely merit based rank structure. Which has it’s flaws and it’s merits.
Because all cadets HAVE to progress through the rating system, (as far as their ability takes them) it takes a fair amount of time, and we kick out at 18.
We have just had two PO Cadets appointed, and we won’t have a lot of time before they age out.
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We do a lot of mixing between our Sqn & the other cadet forces & the sea cadets.
The rough rule of thumb we use is to convert SCC => RAFAC is take the equivalent to Royal Navy +1 i.e. a SCC cdt PO is roughly equivalent to RAFAC CDT FS.
So the SCC ordinary CDT (3red stars) is effectively equivalent to a RAFAC cdt Cpl.
It’s not quite right (as SCC is a mix of ranks & classifications) but works locally for joint working.
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That’s not what’s happened. The RSM and CSM appointments still exist, it is just the “rank” has changed to WO1 and WO2, instead of RSMI and SMI. There are multiple SMIs (now WO2s) in each county who are not CSMs.
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Also the ACF have PI as a training role (I don’t know if that will change name as well).
And as regular viewers will know I’ve said often enough we should have that too, rather than attempt an adult JNCO rank.
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These days, PI is only used until someone is actually able to attend parade nights or events, so it doesn’t actually make any difference.
with all that in mind,
this irritates me even more (using CCF RM since its the only similar rank structure in frame)
It’s not official, but alot of SCC/RMC cadets treat it as gospel, to the point an AC tried to boss me around because “the chart says we’re equal but I’ve had more promotions”, this was baby Cpl Rusty btw
They’re barely comparable systems to be frank.
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Just had a look at the VCC web site. ÂŁ90 joining fee 
I wonder what that funds.
I had a mate from Dan souf who double hatted ATC/RMVCC
He had a far better cadet experience with the VCC, although we took him to Nij so we win 
To be fair, I believe most of their funding is from fund raising. They get less than we do from public funds.
I’ve seen people with PI rank slides on on parade nights
Yeah I remember having a disagreement with the creator(s) of that chart back in the day, trying to argue that a Cadet Sergeant in the RMC was the equivalent of an ACF Cadet RSM, purely because it was their highest rank. Sorry pickle, that’s not how the world works.
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