Cost/Benefit of Cadet Activities

[Mr_OZ]

@Chief_Tech

It makes perfect sense as to get the FS & CWO ranks you should already be good experienced leaders. The cadets who would get the most benefit are the J/Cpls, Cpl & Sgts. Beyond that you start to take more administrative roles.

Should it be a Gold level Course then? If ACLC is for the more middle level cadets surely it should be a Silver course?

[daws1159]

@Chief_Tech

early 2000s as I remember that criteria when a cadet.

I did it in the 2000’s and their were no limits on rank, in fact pretty much the only JNCO’s we’re from the CCF all the ATC cadets were Sergeants or Flight Sergeants.

The whole point of ACLC should be to teach top level leadership, there are already JNCO & SNCO courses for Corporals and Sergeants and if that’s the level that the week long RAFAC leadership course is pitched at maybe it shouldn’t be a Gold Course (you could even make a case that the whole course is superfluous if that’s the level it’s intended for).

[Chief_Tech]

@daws1159

The whole point of ACLC should be to teach top level leadership,

It’s not the to teach but as so the students can return to unit & apply that knowledge.

Cdt FS & CWO are already on their way out & extra training is not going to get the return on investment that’s needed.

Leadership courses for those two cdt ranks should be more aimed at the staff cadet / adult staff fast track. Not to delve into part 94 of staff cadet debate but once a cadet hits 18 the cdt develop should tail off/stop & the adult development start to take primacy.

[Mr_OZ]

The thing is that ACLC is a CCF lead course and their cadets leave at 18.So for them is at the end of their cadet service.

[Moist_Van_Lipwig]

@Chief_Tech

Cdt FS & CWO are already on their way out & extra training is not going to get the return on investment that’s needed.

Let’s face, there is. Nothing to stop anyone banging out immediately after the course. Or lying about wanting to stay until 20.

[GrandMaster_Flush]

@Chief_Tech

Cdt FS & CWO are already on their way out & extra training is not going to get the return on investment that’s needed.

I was at a small, rural sqn. I was FS just after turning 16. That is still very possible and very common in this day and age, but means the individuals have zero chance of going on ACLC. That doesn’t seem right.

[daws1159]

@GrandMaster_Flush

I was FS just after turning 16

I’ve had plenty of 16 year old FS on my units over the years, especially common since we started letting 12 year olds join.

[Giminion]

@TheSleeplessOne

implication that W&W region were potentially culling some squadrons

Tbh that’s the most specific information I’ve seen on it.

[Giminion]

@Texan

Easily £30,000 a weekend just on rail warrants/mileage

So my tickets were 200 a time at the top end and that was… A while ago.

Around 96 passed selection and 60 made it to test phase (I think). Probably 60 passed and more went. @Baldrick will have greater insight into typical numbers I expect.

An average travel cost of 150/cadet/weekend and average attendance of 85 would have been 13k each weekend. 9 weekends + test phase is 130k on cadet travel. I’m probably understating it across the board even for back then.

[Baldrick]

As it happens, a photo of the graduates on the course in 2016 came up on my feed today. (This wasn’t the actual pic, just one we mocked up so everyone would know where to stand for the real one, with me standing in for the OC.)

I think if it was 2016, that was 15 course?