Day visit to RIAT for ~150 Cadets
21 O18 Tickets provides staff cover and uses the group booking discount that is offered this is being divided by the total attendees, combined with the cost of a wing branded water bottle to comply with the RA that will be issued on the coach.
Cost per attendee (regardless of status) = £15
Public Funding = VA + Coaches
My Committee has considered our Subs Rate and has applied an increase to reflect our increasing costs and need to be able to provide support to cadets to subsidise some events.
Our Rate has increased to £20 per month from 1 April.
Based on parade night attendance alone it equates to a childcare cost of £1 per hour and is much cheaper than other options. Not a single parent has questioned the change.
I meant HQAC demanding more per cadet when they take their cut, even an extra £1 per cadet per month is going to be circa half a mil in the kitty
Spoke to a JL DS recently, quoted somewhere in the region of £500,000 per course.
Easily £30,000 a weekend just on rail warrants/mileage alone they reckon
That is why there are less JL weekends now.
I wonder if part of this study could look at how long the average JL/QAIC grad stays with the corps after gaining their qual.
And how many become CFAV’s?
Just speculation but I’d imagine a lot of these course graduates, especially QAIs would go onto University at 18 (and OTC/UAS) so you’d maybe get 2 years out of them max.
The downside of highly successful cadets; they generally go onto bigger things in life, at least in their 20s. Be interesting to see how many high flying Cadets come back as CFAVs in later life.
Have you ever had to be involved in welfare cases with civ coms… its not straight forward.
You need a mechanism to identify and support.
No corps wide system.
We have a system on my unit… but it’s not perfect.
2 years? I’d be willing to bet that it’s less than 1.
And I have no problem with that, they’re usually high achievers and will want to continue that. I just think the part of the selection and course element that requires them to give back is toned down because it’s not realistic.
I suppose we need to look at if these courses primary purpose is to create a ROI by the cadets coming back and helping out. Or is the primary purpose to provide them with experience and training that they can take away to help them out in the real world. (ie Our core aims)
When it comes to JL, I think the main purpose is the later, and if we get the former it is a bonus.
People always seem to forget the importance in investing in that last bit.
Exactly. Which is why I think people get a bit to caught up in looking for a return when cadets get good opportunities. Supplying senior cadets with opportunities to do thinks like AT leader qualifications at a subsidised cost is fantastic, even if they can only ‘give back’ for a short time. It gives them the ability to go out and get jobs etc. The ROI is just a bonus for us!
That’s great, and in general is perfectly valid, but the courses in referring to in particular make a big point about how the training should be passed back to cadets. I’d wager that in the vast majority of cases it isn’t.
We had a lad on JL this year (he didn’t complete it, incidentally) who openly told us that he’d leave as soon he graduated. I know that’s anecdotal, but he won’t be an outlier.
This precisely underlines my point - show me ANY youth organisation that delivers as much for so little!
Going rate for most youth football teams is at LEAST double, if not triple this amount.
(Preach!)
They don’t necessarily need to be CFAV to continue to have a positive impact on cadets.
Anecdotal evidence, but… I have a friend who was an early JL grad, who went on to have a successful career in aviation, and who has since delivered careers chats via teams to my current cadets, and has offered to chat with anyone who has questions, or needs help starting out.
I came in here into this thread because of the original post about the implication that W&W region were potentially culling some squadrons. The discussion here is perfectly fine, but does anyone have anything more on that, whether rumour or not? Thanks.
One thing I always liked about the ACLC was the rank cap & expectations that the cadet have at least 12 months service remaining.
Stopped the badge hunters & made sure of Return in investment although I’m sure a number of ATC bods we’re annoyed 
When they brought that in it was the most ridiculous change we had ever experienced. In what world does preventing your more senior NCO’s from attending the central leadership course make any sense?
Well It’s been in place since the late 90s early 2000s as I remember that criteria when a cadet.
It makes perfect sense as to get the FS & CWO ranks you should already be good experienced leaders. The cadets who would get the most benefit are the J/Cpls, Cpl & Sgts. Beyond that you start to take more administrative roles.
It reaches a point with any of us that it’s better to focus on the new blood rather than those about to be put out to pasture.