If a parade night was at least 4 hours long and with traveling time it lasted for 8 hours you could claim for it… But it doesn’t; so you can’t.
If your virtual activity lasts for 8 hours or more you can claim. If it doesn’t, you can’t.
Simple.
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actually they have some sort of wording about 4-hour blocks and spanning days. I lost interest when reading it.
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Yes it was bit odd… If it spans more than 8 hours… blah…4 hour blocks… What the hell does that mean?
More importantly what evidence do they want and in what format to prove the hours spent.
Also the finance instruction list of applicable things is fairly limited anyway.
Doesnt seem to cover general training.
Not seen it yet, is it just scrolling on share point or emailed out and not made it to me yet?
Well the BADER Application and 8 hour video on Teams might have something to do with it?
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Unless someone has actually done an 8 hour session… 
I meant evidence if using 4 or more sessions to make up the 8.
Accounts form isnt large enough to record all that!
@daws1159 Probably one of the effects of being funded publicly in a group that doesn’t sit in the mainstream that there is still a slush fund for this sort of thing. Most organisations have to buy, sell, make, provide a service to get their money to pay people, not just get handed money each year.
The better thing to do is for HQAC to speak to the powers that be and see if the money can be sidelined and any left over distributed to sqns for the purpose of a sqn event as and when we can get within 6ft of each other.
But @MRAR is spot on why not CIs as well? Maybe one for the head sheds to ponder.
But the circumstance, time and type of thing we can claim for can’t change just because of this. Is it as I suggest to “encourage” people to engage? It seems nonsensical when for donkey’s years people have only been allowed to claim if they tick the right boxes, for all of a sudden to have these conditions relaxed and you can claim for parade night activities, because it suits HQAC’s purpose. They are lucky they operate in the bubble they do, as try and pull a stunt like this anywhere else and once it’s over, say the new rules are gone now, there would be ructions. But we’ll go OK and fall back in line.
The current, temporary change in the claiming rules only affects WHAT people may claim for. It does not change WHO can claim; that would perhaps be a more complex discussion requiring more approvals and agreements and would take much longer - hopefully longer than the temporary change will be in place.
That is not to say that the discussions are not worthwhile.
The conditions have not been relaxed. We cannot claim for parade night activities.
The criteria are exactly as they were before - It must be an “approved duty” and that duty must last a minimum of 8 hours (with the same old ‘wholly in one day or partly in one day and partly in another’ caveat to cover a duty spanning a night - that’s always been the case.)
This doesn’t mean that we can start aggregating every hour long virtual parade night to claim a day’s VA.
The only change is that, where previously, we would have to be physically present to be eligible, now we can be present online and be eligible.
For example:
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Are you attending a virtual Wing Conference? Does it last all day (at least 8 hours)? …Then you can claim.
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Are you delivering a virtual cadet training course? Does it last all day (at least 8 hours)? …Then you can claim.
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Are you performing any eligible duty which lasts at least 8 hours overnight? …Then you can claim.
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Are you performing an eligible duty which doesn’t last for 8 hours? …You can not claim.
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Are you performing an ineligible duty (regardless of time)? …You can not claim.
Maybe we should all read the IBN and the amended FI before the conversation further wanders off on tangential ramblings which bare no resemblance to reality?
The key paragraphs is the one which reads:
It should be noted that this revision creates no new eligibility for VA where it did not already exist and is only applicable for activities/duties that under normal times would have attracted VA but that are now being delivered remotely/virtually.
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Yeah but normal VA includes travel.
So If I travel 1 hour to an event and 1 hour back, it’s only 6 hours duty required.
Now its log on to log off.
So for a normal 6 hour event. I have would have to do a further 2 hours.
Doesnt really matter to me, as I cant see me claiming during lockdown anyway.
But does show they’re not exactly the same.
where is the IBN as I cant see it on Sharepoint?
The IBN got deleted (both the file and announcement)
But the FInance Instruction is available here
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cheers obliged
The IBN still appears to exist here:
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It is exactly the same… It’s just that now everyone’s travel time is nil.
If I lived next door to the Squadron so my travel time to run a course was 10 seconds, then under the normal scheme it would still be 8 hours required. Even though someone else attending might travel two hours each way and therefore would satisfy their own claim 1/2 of the way through the day.
Suppose now that I don’t have a computer at home and to get online I have to walk 30 minutes into town to my office, arguably I could still claim my 1 hour travelling time as part of the 8 hour duty.
Nothing has changed.
Yeah, that’s not an issue for pay, that’s just luck of the draw with the location of the event?
Yeah maybe.
Comms from our QM last night that cadet uniform demands will be high in September with all orders having to go through her rather than direct to parent station. The rationale given is a large number of units will be having fresh intake that need uniform and bulk makes sense.
Have fed back that our existing cadets will have been growing and will need refresh of kit. As we cannot reissue items now it feels like we may run in to problems just in time for BoB and Remembrance Parades !
Anyone else is this situation?
Well, we don’t have a QM and I have never seen anything saying I cannot re-issue kit, so not really.
Our uniform supply is still sketchy though.
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That’s how our Wing runs it too, and while there have been no Comms, it’s our assumption that uniform will be iffy because of exactly that. We’re trying to get ahead of the game and to get the kids to test their uniform and see what doesn’t fit so we can get ahead of the game.