Just thumbing through the regs as you do and seen this,
0218. General. No 3 Service Dress covers all forms of field exercise clothing, including the Combat Soldier 95 (CS95) range. Field exercise clothing is defined
as clothing that is required to be worn for training and exercises. CS95 is not issued as part of the initial kitting scale for either male or female personnel,except for those scaled in AP 886.
PCS / MTP uniform are not to be worn.
So does that mean that Combat Soldier 95 Range includes, woodland and desert?
just wondering as this would drastically improve field exercises by clearly distinguishing friend from Foe
After Researching, is it correct that Combat Soldier 95 (CS95) range consists of, Woodland, Jungle and desert?
Correct, however whether or not the ACO take CS95 to mean that (or just temperate/woodland) is a different question altogether.
The older MTP was 95 pattern as well, not too sure if they’d be classified under the 95 range though.
As MTP is specifically forbidden, it would imply that CS95 MTP is forbidden.
There’s nothing I’ve ever seen that states that dessies can’t be worn, and the fact that the bit stating what camouflage pattern can’t be worn doesn’t mention it at all would seem to imply that there’s no particular problem. Dessies as ‘enemy’ wear has been done quite often in my experience.
Combat Soldier 95 was DPM issue uniform.
Desert Combat Clothing was originally based on tropical clothing then updated taking a lot of lessons learned from combat ops and then updated to be based on the 95 pattern (but is not specifically part of the 95 range)
Tropical clothing has always been tropical clothing nothing to do with cs95 although cs95 was worn regularly by units on very short notice/time.
MTP UOR (95 pattern)is known as tropical MTP (according to the labels)
MTP PCS is the new new uniform
Fabulous service as usual, thanks guys
seconded, i know a selection of Sqns/Wing exercises which use Staff in “dessie” to distinguish Directing Staff and “enemy force”
‘Enemy Forces’ I can understand, but Directing Staff?
^^^^ to distinguish between DS and “enemy force” staff wore either Dessie or woodland as appropriate - i should have had a “between” in my previous post
Though it was going a bit Walty!!
if only real enemies were that helpful and wore a different and wrong type of combat clothing…
Surely most enemies do at least wear a different type of clothing, unless they’re doing a “The Eagle Has Landed” or we’re fighting the Dutch (in the 90’s) or the Polish (current).
You mean like a DPM dish-dash?
And I always carry an umbrella to make sure everyone knows I’m Directing Staff!
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what I mean (excluding coin ops where they dress like civi’s)is that for example the falklands or the cold war or either of the gulf wars they wore camo pattern that worked in the areas they were fighting us and therefore would have been similar to ours! If the Russians had invaded UK I highly doubt they would have wondered around in Russian deserts!
a bit like every bond - the assailant/henchmen are always dressed in a clear “uniform” to distinguish a “bad guy” makes it easier for Bond to pick them out, not that he would have much to worry about, the MM skills of the average hench men is poor to questionable!
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what I mean (excluding coin ops where they dress like civi’s)is that for example the falklands or the cold war or either of the gulf wars they wore camo pattern that worked in the areas they were fighting us and therefore would have been similar to ours! If the Russians had invaded UK I highly doubt they would have wondered around in Russian deserts![/quote]I agree that they wouldn’t wear an entirely unsuitable camouflage pattern, but they would still be recognisably different - rather than having exactly the same dress and equipment!
It’ll be much better when we get MTP and can use DPM as enemy dress…