CFM medal and ATC accoutrements

Is there a way to check someone has been properly issued the Cadet Forces Medal and not wearing it illegally? We have a lad in our office who regularly wears his, and other cadet uniform items, but theres been a accusation that hes not entitled to and his cadet service is made up and hes Walting. i wanna find a way to prove it either way and put it to bed so we can sort it. any advice welcome.

Should be gazetted?

Where abouts are they printed please? Is it in the Air Force magazine or something?

If he’s sad enough to be ‘walting’ about a CFM, I’d leave the poor soul alone.

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Not always easy to find though, especially if you don’t know the dates.

How old is he? If he’s under 30 that’s a big clue.

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Do you mean he’s wearing the uniform with accompanying badges or has it got badges sewn onto a bag?

The latter isn’t quite as bad (still a bit sad though)

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Under 35 - to allow for delivery back logs…

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What other items, I’ve walked used my 120lts bag for transporting stuff around :man_shrugging:t2:

Can’t see apart from CFM, and I can’t see why, can’t think of anything else :man_shrugging:t2:

Agreed, and what’s the ‘office’, not wearing kit to a civvie work place is he?!

I wouldn’t worry about it, it’s the definition of a cereal box medal, anyone that knows medals will see it a mile off.

I’d be perhaps a little surprised if it is walting. If you’re going to go to the effort you’d get a medal with some status attached to it!

If you can get the service number from the rim you can chuck that into the search box on the London gazette website. That should bring up the award

The OP needs to add more context

  • No one ‘regularly’ wears medals ‘in the office’, even If as the OP’s username suggests he’s military - In which case why would you have a RAFAC CFAV in your office?

  • There’s no such thing as ‘ATC’ accoutrements anymore - We wear RAFAC emblazoned rank slides and, in No1s, gilt pins.

The CFM is gazetted, so all that’s needed is the individual’s service number (noting these have all changed of late, so you may need their old one), to verify.

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This whole thread is so sad!

Honestly, who actually cares if some kid is wearing a CFM he’s not entitled to…?!

The OP is as bad as the person he’s accusing.

Let it go, mate. There’s a big world out there…

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Not a lot of context provided…
But depending on what the purpose of uniform and medals is for… It’s against the law. Especially where money is concerned. If the guy is using it to get money off people or ply extra trade…

While it is not an offence to own medals which have not been awarded to you, it is illegal under section 197 of the Army Act 1955 to use these to pretend to be a member of the armed forces. (This act will be superseded by the Armed Forces Act 2006 in November.)

The act makes wearing any military decoration, badge, wound stripe or emblem without authority a criminal offence. It is also illegal to wear a replica “as to be calculated to deceive”, and to falsely represent yourself as someone entitled to wear any such award.

Whilst yes, maybe over the top reaction from OP. It’s not entirely without merit.

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Does the CFM have his name and service number engraved on the edge? This doesn’t prove it is real as this can be added, but the absence of it would mean it was bought commercially. If it does have the service number on it, you could make note of it and check the Gazette.

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Crikey! Please tell me if there is a way to earn money off my CFM - I’ve clearly been missing out!

But really… I think you need to calm down. Is a CFM even a ‘military’ award?
Quoting the law in respect to this example is verging on the preposterous.
It’s a cadet medal. It might upset you if the chap is wearing it - but as far as I’m concerned it’s about as illegal as someone wearing a Blue Peter badge they’re not ‘entitled’ to.
This is the sort of discussion that makes us ALL look like Walter Mittys.

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Just think for a moment about what it represents, the story that could accompany it, and the opinions and reactions that those could garner from others - and what that could potentially mean for the wearer in terms of any benefit they may seek to gain through manoeuvres and leveraging.

Would it be the most egregious example of walting? Possibly not, depending on the intention.

Is it something that most would consider walting about? No.

But if the value perception of such a pretence is low, if someone were to desire to pretend to be a CFAV, why would they do so? 99% of the time walting is for some kind of personal gain…

You might think it’s stupid, but a narrow, disregarding view risks missing something that could be very serious and ultimately damaging to all CFAV. It’s probably nothing, but what harm is there in verifying?

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Well… Yes, i can use three years of my service towards it. It’s awarded by the crown through a miiłitary backed organisation.

Of course! We are all mad here.

Doesn’t at all. Just offering a counterview. Makes no odds to mé whatsoever.

Absolutely not. I have immense respect for all CFAVs do. To wear this cheapens your efforts if it’s not earned. You aren’t rewarded enough and someone wearing the award ruins the hard work out it.

Not the worst thing in the world. I’m just offering an alternative view.

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Missed this one out…
I have personal experience of seeing members of Britain First collecting money and signatures for “charity” to help injured servicemen.

They wore berets, with no cap badge and battle of jubilee medals as well as some of those commemorative medals you can buy off the RBL. Looks a bit of a mess to those in the know. But they had old women and those who admire the military fawning over them.

So there is a real danger that this can be misused. As @Giminion has said, think about the damage it does for CFAVs who have worked hard for the right to be awarded that medal.

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This is a definite red flag. Walts tend to have other issues going on and if they’re willing to defraud on something as obvious as this then they are not fit to be anywhere near our organisation. Get rid

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