CFM For CIs: why not?

fair?

arguably no, but there needs to be a line drawn somewhere…

in the same way you indicate 11years364days and 1 as CI, what if they did there 17 years and 360 days, got their CFM after 12 but were four days short of their clasp when they “retired”…

a line has to be drawn somewhere, is it fair that a 17yr360day old person misses out on voting in an election?
the same can be said for Jubiliee medals. some will got these having achieved years of a eligible service, others miss out by months or even weeks.
there will have been occasions where some squeeze in by the absolute minimum 5 years, while a Fg Off with 4.5 years service, which included 5 years prior as a Cadet miss out - they have near 10 years commitment to the Corps versus someone off the street who was appointed to uniform 6 months before them, and despite half the commitment get a gong…is that fair?

i get what you’re saying, particularly as its an arbitrary line in the sand, however there has to be a line and for some it will work out in their favour, for others it wont.
in the example you mention perhaps a Wg Cdr would make an exception, but would require influence at that level and only on a case by case example

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In my case, 4 days… :joy::joy:

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As an OC in that sort of case I would just tell them not to put their paperwork in for a while.

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As WLSC, once said:

“a medal glitters, but it also casts a shadow”.

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1 month.

A shadow of success and assumed awesomeness.

There are no medals for being gash!

WRT attendance and 12 hours, who knows whether Regional Staff or Wg Cdrs are doing what they are supposed to. Do they do 12 hours a month like squadron staff are expected to?

I wouldn’t put too much faith in manual electronic recording attendance systems and even fully electronic card based ones are not entirely infallible.

I’m still under the impression it’s still planned to go to the 144 hours over a year to account for guys like me that can only do 1 night a week probably 3 times a week but can do 2 weekends days a month

I thought it already was an average of 12 hours a month. Otherwise how would CCF staff get it? We have a long summer break meaning at least one calendar month with no parades.
Anyone got a link to the regs which state the time commitment per month/year?

I would put money on they do a lot more in 99% of the cases and it’s up to their line manager to monitor it. Most think differently because they don’t understand the roles, Wing Commanders especially is one of the hardest roles in the organisation.

ACP 20 PI 116 para 1

or

References:
A. ACP 20 PI 202.
B. ACP 20 PI 302.

  1. References A and B state that commissioned officers and WOs/SNCOs (ATC) should attend for not less than 12 hours in any one calendar month on official and semi-official RAFAC activities pertaining to their primary appointment

from PI 202

ATTENDANCE ON ATC ACTIVITIES BY CFC OFFICERS
7. CFC officers are expected to attend for not fewer than 12 hours in any one calendar month on authorised activities related to their primary role. For officers on VGSs this is interpreted as at least 2 days in any one calendar month.

and from PI 302

ATTENDANCE ON ATC ACTIVITIES BY WOs/SNCOs/SNCOs AIRCREW(ATC)
6. WOs/SNCOs(ATC) should attend for not less than 12 hours in any one calendar month on authorised activities related to their primary role. SNCOs Aircrew (ATC) on a VGS should attend for not less than 32 hours in any one calendar month to ensure continuity of flying.

and for completeness, for CIs
PI116 indicates:

Although there are no set parameters on attendance for Civilian Instructors, Civilian Gliding Instructors, Chaplains or Service Instructors, their attendance should also be monitored

while PI 402 indicates the conditions of appointment for CIs, specifically on the commitment as

  1. CIs should attend for an agreed period of time in any one calendar month on official and semi-official ATC activities. COs are to maintain a record of their attendance in an appropriate register which should include time spent on travelling to ATC activities. If an individual fails to complete a satisfactory record of attendance the CO is to investigate the cause and enter the facts in the attendance register. The CI concerned will be required to initial the entry and give reasons for non-attendance in writing within 14 days, or as soon as practicable thereafter.

with regards CCF, ie

paragraph 3 of PI116 indicates

All CFAV attendance should be formally recorded on Bader and any periods of non-attendance should be investigated. Unless the CFAV has been granted NEP, voluntary absence, sick leave from their main employment or has a justified and approved reason for not attending RAFAC activities, OCs are to contact the CFAV, initially verbally, and followed up by written correspondence (sent Recorded Delivery) to ascertain the reasons for their non-attendance

my bold indicating how CCF CFAVs are excepted from the 12hours/month expectation given there is a “justified reason” why attendance over summer would not equal 12 hours (if not on summer camp, as there would be no other manner in which to attend

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Thanks. No SharePoint at the moment. I knew it was in there somewhere!

In fact, I suspect that’s a red herring, as the rules for the CFM in the new ‘JSP 313’ (AC72133) refer only to the text in JSP 814 which make no reference to a requirement for minimum attendance, and the quotes stated only refer to ATC activities. I have never known a CCF(RAF) CFAV denied the CFM on those grounds.

Typical. One rule for them and another for the rest of us!

#lettheflamewarcommence

#jk

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