I think the ATC gets PTDs. 
I could see a reason, are the majority if CCF camps in term time when the teachers/support staff are already paid, more than likely at a higher rate than a PTD. I know most school staff volunteer to do things like DofE anyway.
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The idea stinks.
Our CCF will close and that will be that. There are just two teachers on a staff of 10-the rest of us get PTDs not pay by the school. That and the school canāt afford the Ā£30,000 a year they want to charge. We are a pre-CEP State school CCF
Also there are plenty of things they say the Ā£150 will pay for-things they currently provide at the moment. However if we are paying Ā£30,000 to the MOD they better buck up their idea of service otherwise we will find another contractor to provide the experience.
Yes, but surely a teacher who is also CCF staff would be paid the same amount than if they were not a CFAV? There might be some schools that are willing to pay CCF staff a bit extra, but I am betting many would not if they currently also get PTDs?
Thatās my argument. They are getting paid already for the time by the school (especially if the camps are in term time). Maybe get rid of PTD, BUT replace with a fixed TLR so at least it is a fixed additional income, rather than sporadic day pay.
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So largely bringing them into line with ATC cadets.[/quote]
Do ATC subs all get passed on to HQAC or is some of the money kept and used by squadrons?
Subs levels are set locally. A certain amount goes to wing, a certain amount goes to corps.
[quote=ā40bā post=19908]The idea stinks.
Also there are plenty of things they say the Ā£150 will pay for-things they currently provide at the moment. However if we are paying Ā£30,000 to the MOD they better buck up their idea of service otherwise we will find another contractor to provide the experience.[/quote]
I agree. We would need some sort of service level agreement to ensure that we get what we are paying for. Otherwise, I think it would be possible to get a similar ācadetā experience organised locally for less.
And where does the insurance come from? You can guarantee if we wanted to do all the activities we offer without the MoD insurance, we would be talking millions of pounds a year.
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[quote=āorh197ā post=19921][quote=ā40bā post=19908]The idea stinks.
Also there are plenty of things they say the Ā£150 will pay for-things they currently provide at the moment. However if we are paying Ā£30,000 to the MOD they better buck up their idea of service otherwise we will find another contractor to provide the experience.[/quote]
I agree. We would need some sort of service level agreement to ensure that we get what we are paying for. Otherwise, I think it would be possible to get a similar ācadetā experience organised locally for less.[/quote]By the ATC, for one. Iām not sure what the current subs bill that requires paying āup the chainā is, but Iām pretty sure that itās less than 1/3 of that.
There will be a service level agreement, Iām told.
Most of the more financially secure schools are looking at āalternative ways to provide the cadet experienceā, to quote one mediaeval public school directly. We certainly are. Alternatives include a non-uniform leadership programme, and becoming a non-MOD sponsored cadet force.
As stated eloquently by 40b, most existing state school CCFs (around 40% of CCFs are in state schools already) will close. That will only leave a rump in the middle.
What is the average level of ATC subs paid up the CoC (i.e. not used for local squadron expenses)?
I canāt find the recent sheet but I think it is Ā£2.50 per cadet per month is due to HQAC. On top of that my region charges 20p/mnth and my wing charged Ā£1/mnth. So, Ā£3.70 per calendar month for cadets on the books.
It is up to squadrons to cover this cost by fundraising. We charge cadets Ā£7 per month by cheque or standing order, with spare money going into our coffers.