During Remembrance ceremonies a couple of weeks back, I was talking with a very-senior (and apparently informed) ACF Cadet. I was asking him about the new rankslides being worn by all the Army Cadets on MTP, specifically, the embroidered red capital letters spelling the word ‘CADET’.
He said they’d been told this was now mandatory for all Cadet forces when wearing combats, that it was meant to have happened in time for Cadet 150, and came from DRFC (and also HQ Land).
Since we already type-mark our 18+ Cadets as being such, presumably we will now soon be seeing blue woven rankslides for our 13-17.9yrs members that includes the same Cadet status information?
Or am I a few pages behind the world on the script, is this already destined to happen, and it’s just the doing of it, rather than the decisioning?
i’ve no idea if there is a current instruction/plan, but i can confirm that its long been a bugbear at LAND - given the loss of the ‘air cadets’ FI on MTP/PCS, and therefore the likelyhood that no one will make them commercially for use on DPM’s, i would imagine that it would be seen both as an easy solution to a current issue, and an opportune moment to impose a long held ambition.
Why not finally introduce the woven ‘ATC’ slides and do what the AAFC do: AAFC (or ATC) inside a stripe of one colour for adults and another for cadets…
“But what about Staff Cadets?”
I’m glad you asked. Perfect opportunity to get rid of them.
Undoubtedly a product of one of the many ‘JSPs’ produced by the ACF and their command echelon (is it still the Duke of Westminster?), under the mistaken belief that they have suzerainty over the ACO and without reference to the ACO.
I’ve been hearing about these new ‘cadet’ rank slides for CCF(A) for months, but I’ve yet to set eyes on one. Mind you, 145X cadets branch is pretty much non-functioning at the moment so they are probably sitting in a warehouse somewhere…
The ACF ‘Red Book’ for one - produced and published without any reference to the ACO chain of command, including the ATC crest on the cover and including instructions that it was to be carried at all times by all CFAVs. There are others.
Same with the current grizzle about Pam-5C…the ACF have pushed SASC to make an immediate change to drills which we’ve now got to conform to, and they want the Pam changed. They didn’t ask the ACO what our opinion is.
At Kinloss, I reamed 2 guys outside the ops building for not wearing their hats! They were pretty big lads and I assumed they were RAF as they were in DPM with no other identifiers.
They did explain that they were ATC cadets; so I ‘reminded’ them that they were still improperly dressed and the reaming remained extant!
[quote=“wilf_san” post=13608][edit]…and how the Royal Canadian Air Cadets does it on blues…
(not sure why the Flt Cpl rank has lost it’s CADET tagline)[/edit][/quote]
Which is pretty much How we would have to do it on No3. Your other examples would work, but cause several strokes due to them being ‘subdued’ rank slides.
[quote=“sirvicalsmeer” post=13854][quote=“cygnus maximus” post=13845]
I have.
At Kinloss, I reamed 2 guys outside the ops building for not wearing their hats! [/quote]
Classy. Having a go at people verbally in public. What a brilliant example of leadership. Well done :worthy:[/quote]
Thank you for your outstanding observation and intimate knowledge.
Did I say it was in public? No.
Was anyone other than the cadets in question around and in earshot? No.
Some of us understand the whole leadership/setting example/appropriateness of discipline bits such that we don’t have to write a whole page on the ins and outs of a cat’s a**e explaining why something happened.
Moreover, you have absolutely no idea of the background to this either. Therefore, at risk of contradicting my comment above, at the time, Kinloss and a couple of other Stns, was having an issue with some airmen (and junior offs and aircrew SNCOs for that matter) thinking that dress regulations didn’t apply to them, particularly when they were in flying kit and combats. The Stn Cdr had personally reminded all officers, WOs and NCOs that they WERE TO correct errant officers and airmen.
Please don’t assume that everyone on here has the leadership skills of a pot plant.
Reaming people outside of Ops sounds pretty public to me. I wonder what those cadets (or indeed if they had been airman) thought of you afterward. I’ve never felt the need to “ream people”. And I’ve found that not “reaming” them tends to get people to respect you much more (and take on board what you are saying) than those who like to “ream” people.
Still I suppose it’s the old adage of people doing stuff for you because they want to and respect you as a leader and those who do something simply because they’ve been ordered to. More than one way to skin a cat I guess.
But we are getting waaaaaay OT here. So returning to the point at hand, I don’t think its broke so no need to fix it.
Indeed nothing is broken and the blue rank slides if they are worn rather than some cadets and staff who are using MTP slides, it does make it easier to identify, however if they did issue them maybe they could do it like they do for the army cadets and deliver it already on the new MTP
