I ran a Heartstart course at the beginning of the year for the majority of the cadets at my unit. I have just completed the process to get certificates and badges for them!
I had to complete 3 forms!! 2 online submissions followed by a TG form emailed to my FA Officer!!!
WHY???
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Because WXO hasnât thought of a reason for a 4th form. 
Seriously, wasnât there a red-tape reduction working group?
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Dont be silly.They ve effectively just added another form to the adult recruitment process with the wonderful volunteers"agreement"
2 online submissions?? I assume that those are wing mandated âthingsâ you need to have done? The process is spelt out on the ruddy form!
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Run the course
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Complete TG009, and email to the Wing First Aid Officer.
They should then forward your TG009 to Cranwell (My WFAO copies in our Wing E1, who sends the badges out in the next post).
Your certificates and badges should arrive in short order.
I really donât understand why our own Wing Staff insist on adding additional processes/forms/or whatever. Theyâre the first ones to complain when a return is missed, or an email ignored - they just donât seem to realise that if they reduced the faff, weâd have more time to concentrate on the important stuff.
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Too right!
Post the admin burden you are facing to deliver a mandatory course in Valuing Our Volunteers - Ask The Team we have the forum to raise this to the policy writing powers that be, lets use it rather than pointless whinge on here.
I know that RC North & RC Wales & West are very anti additional bureaucracy added at Wing/Region level.
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It would be better if they were very, very anti bureaucracy added at Corps level.
Why do admin once when you can do it 3 times for the same result? Itâs not like all of the information they need is on the paper form such as who the instructors were, what cadets took part and when it happenedâŚoh wait! 
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I had to complete a pipe style application to say I ran the course. Then add all the names to a Wing Blue Badge Allocation set up on Sharepoint. Then email the TG form. All of the forms were very different and I couldnât use cut n paste! Almost took as long as the course!!!
I email the TG form to our wing FA guy, who forwards it. It ensures the names are spelled correctly.
I also do the BHFâs pink paper form so their audit is joined up.
But, that is all a nonsense from an efficiency perspective.
The running of the course must be approved via SMS, which must contain details of the instructor(s) and student(s). Any subsequent actions necessary for the issuing of badges should be driven by SMS and be automated (subject to confirmation post event that the participants were successful).
Anything else is waste and adds cost.
Except Hearstart Courses donât need to be approved on SMS so the entire SMS application is unnecessary. (With the caveat that itâs being run on a Parade Evening at the SHQ)
There is a form that is submitted post activity which lists who the trainers and students were thatâs all that should be needed to get the certificates and badges. (You will need to go on SMS and add the qualification to the Cadet records but with the new bulk add facility thatâs easy as pie).
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Can an external trainer (Non-CFAV) deliver and sign off Heartstart?
Potentially - maybe ask your wing FA guy. The admin would be done through the trainerâs affiliation I assume - I also assume they are an approved Heartstart instructorâŚ
Why would you need to? I thought we had managed to get heartstart affiliation across the Corps and a reasonable pool of HS instructors. Can you not find a CFAV to do it?
I donât see this as that strange.
There are people in the permanent staff and unfortunately the volunteers (as we are) who want to make a mark and do this by wanting more âpaperworkâ.
At least this it seems can be emailed. There is a lot of things around that could easily be emailed and yet they want a paper copy signed. This is the 21st Century for Christâs sake.
Dodgy ground, canât have anyone outside the ATC doing anything in case they present opportunities that donât require umpteen bits of paper.
Iâm currently looking into getting one of sonsâ old mates to deliver first aid. They have their own company and run a variety of courses for all ages. Heâs done some with the local scout district for expenses.