That is quite right, I thought we would just leave and then get around a table to sort out trade at a later date. Which looks like what will happen after 31st October now.
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Parliament is prorogued every time there is a new Parliament to present a new Queenâs Speech also for a genera lelection. John Major prorogued Parliament for longer to stop cash for questions being raised in the HoC.the Prime Minister has done is perfectly legal. The Supreme Court will interfere in politics at its own rosk.
In NI, the âtroublesâ have never really gone away, talk to anybody from there towhit the bomb last week, just one of many plus the punishment shootings and exiling of people. At the height of the Afghan war the RLC had to bring back HTO EOD operatives due to the securitysituation in NI. You forget the recent McKee murder by terrorists shooting at police officers. Then there is the present hounding of former memebers of HM Forces but not former terrorists by investigators. The South also donât want this to start up again also they donât want NI dropped on their doorstep, they couldnây affprd it!
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Leaving should be looked at like starting a new part of your life and look for the opportunities and potential it can offer. Rather than fear large parts of the media and too many politicians have been instilling.
The potential for Britain is far better out than in the eu and sucked into the unholy mess of increased federalisation. While we currently donât have to join the eu, I canât see that staying the same as the federalists push and push and the idea of a member state having a different currency would not work and we would be compelled to have it.
We will have to acceptthe changes the Lisbon Treaty brings in next year regarding QMV, sharing of ârefugeeâsâ eventually the euro and with Germanyâs Target 2 liabilities of 1 trillion euro+ weâd have to pay an awful lot to bail them out. Thatâs just for starters
NATO is an organisation we can withdraw from anytime.
Frankly, however the question was framed unless it had been stay, it wouldnât have been accepted by the stay side. Politicians scared by the prospect of being shown wanting would have still tried to stop it.
My MP has a family business and prior to going into parliament (his wife and children have run it since) and is relishing the thought of leaving.
Bob,
Totally agreed (although I cannot currently see any circumstances when we would withdraw from NATO). My only point (perhaps with a poor example) is that withdrawal from the EU is from only one of the organisations with which we share sovereignty (to a greater or lesser degree).
Teflon,
Donât agree Iâm afraid. If each option had carefully stated that the economic outcomes and their associated costs were unknown then there would be no where for either side to go.
Well, this country decided, by a public vote back in 2016, to leave the EU and therefore the government, who ever is in power should follow the will of the people and follow the mandate of the vote.
So, three years on, if this goes to rats and there is a general election, which does not go the way that people want, will we go through the same rigmarole again!!!
But, we can walk away at anytime without all the rubbish we have at the moment, plus the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Read the Monet document about direction of travel for the EU, it is slowly morphing into the USSR.
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Bob,
Not as I see it. All the Treaties we have entered into voluntarily bring with them some obligations that take time to withdraw from. Agreed the EU is the most complex agreement. Noted the direction of travel but I suspect our leaving the EU will cause the monolith to enter a period of reform otherwise we will not be the last through the door.
You cannot state true economic outcomes as you have the financial markets as they to a very great extent influence and respond with lightening speed such as imagine blocking the Straits of Hormuz to oil and gas tanker traffic or China âinvadesâ Hong Kong and has a Tianamen moment orTaiwan.
The euro is only being kept alive by quantative easing otherwise known as printing money, buying junk government bonds, makingordinary savers as in Greece and Cyprus take a âhaircutâ in other owtds sequestering their money. Germany is thinling od issuing negative interest long term bonds. You cannot have a multiplicity of countries with one currency all at different points ina financil cycle with different monatary systems exchequers and expecr it to succend. the ECB are appraoching the end of the line. There is no fiscal transfer from rich to poor system as we have with the Barnett formula, the German constitutional has banned Germany from particpating. In germany, Deutsche Bank and Commerzbank were supposed to merge to form a âgoodâ and and a 'bad; bank, this has fallen apart with xtensive redundencies at DB.
Having the Criminal Lagarde ex IMF at the ECB is just a political move as she is one of âthemâ. Shpuld actually have been in prison.
They are unable to reform, that is their problem. they have all the apportances of a state, a flag, a âparliamemtâ uncivil service, an anthmn and a currency, soon to have an âarmed forcesâ.
Do you thnkduring the recent independence votes and demonstrations in Catalunya that if there was a âeuroâ army that they wouldnât been deployed to give fraternal assistance, remeber Hungary 1956 or Checslovakia in 1968. Lesson from history and look up the last âeuropeanâ army!
Any reform would need to be wide ranging and the unfettered acceptance of migrants has to be addressed otherwise nationalist factions across the EU will gain momentum and this is something that collective eu fears, as if they get a proper foot in the door, especially in countries that have a PR system and or rely on coalitions.
If we have a GE the leave groups need to work together as currently their voting for respective parties is letting parties in who then think theyâre on the up.
In the last 2 by-elections IIRC the âpro-Brexitâ vote was 60% in each but split.
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What unfettered acceptance of migrants? Just because the UK choose not to implement the controls the EU allowed doesnât mean there werenât controls available
A policy which is racist as anybody outside the eu has to pay a significant amount of money and jump through numerous hoops to gain a visa. there should be a level playing ground, all except tourists require visas and permits on a reciprocal basis.
So what happens in Med, and the Eastern borders do they get taken back from whence they came. The eu has not really taken any real role in illegal migration and left it to individual countries. If the eu said the borders are closed unless you have the proper paperwork, it gives countries confidence to do more.
Ironically one of the main precepts for the idea of the eu was to prevent nationalism, and war yet their MO has been fuelling nationalism.
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While I agree with you that the Eurozone has built in stress points and contradictions you seem to suggest that Quantitative Easing is a Eurozone disease. This approach has been used in the USA, UK and around the world to deal with a problem that seems to have its origins in the USA not in the EU or the Eurozone
The ECB is not a true bank of last resort, unlike the BoE or the Fed. The 2008 crisis started in the US because of a loosening of financial controls which led to Freedie Mac and Fanny Mae going to the wall. The UK side was when Northern Rock was nearly bankrupted and had queues outside secondary to their use of >100% mortgage lending to customers who could not service their debt. Lloyds were shotgunned into a marriage by Brown over a weekend much to the disgust of its chairnan Sir Victor Blank. The you had Fred Goodwin at RBS as well who also nearly went under. Barclays had to go to Qatar for funds. The UK problem was down to Brown in 1997 by removing regulatory control of the financial services industry and creating the âtripartateâ system between the BoE the FSA and the Treasury and nobody knew who was doing what or even what they were doing.
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