AT Quals and the Faff that is

Again, we’ve run training, assessment and expedition modules each year regionally for the last couple of years and there were loads of places left on each course. They were all advertised to WATTOs.

There is no point diluting the number of people per course when the demand isn’t there.

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I’m not questioning it, as far as I’ve seen it is working. The issue isn’t a lack of courses but a lack of people wanting to do it.

This has been the strategy all along for Lowland Leaders - develop course directors within a region to allow regional delivery.

There are also now a few people picking up directorships for Paddlesport Instructor / Leader as well to run those at a Regional level.

The issue is getting the message down to Squadron level explaining what people actually need to do to get a qualification and to get Squadrons to pass information on.

It’s painted by many, especially the old and bold who lived in the land before NGB qualifications as some arduous impossible thing, when actually it’s a relatively easy thing.

I live for the day of individual email accounts!

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Also, there is currently nothing in the RATTO TORs that mandates training delivery.

I don’t think that’s correct, personally, but that’s the way it is at the moment so it’s dependent on the motivation of the individual.

To be fair in LaSER it seems to have always been Mike Ulrich and Rob from Surrey that have delivered the LLA courses, and had nothing directly to do with the RATTO. I know Chris Conley has also been delivering coursers within Sussex semi-regularly.

Also could this maybe be moved to the “AT and the faff that is” thread as it’s going fairly off topic and repeating what we’ve discussed previously in that thread.

Doing the maths here, you are asking for 120 new LLA per annum at a minimum. Comparing that to a SATT output, when a SATT has a scaling of 7 primary posts alongside an instructor pool that is a secondary duty, where you nominally get 2 x SR Courses per SATT per year which equates to 120 new RCOs I think without a dedicated Training Team you won’t see the same output for AT.

However, AT is not simply a case of attending the course, there is pre course work to be done which for LLA is 20 Quality Walking Days, whereas you could jump onto an SR course with perhaps just 4 weekends of exposure.

I found the page about Qualification Pathways particularly useful on the portal.

I think we should set out to qualify 72 individual CFAVs / Staff Cadets per annum in an AT Discipline, this equates to 2 staff per Wing so should be highly obtainable. The reason I say individuals, is so that a Sqn/Sector/Wing isn’t relying on 1 or 2 to deliver AT and that there is a broad pool of capable individuals to deliver this key activity.

SW Region delivers the LLA & HML, these have been advertised on Facebook, I also found that courses were posted on the MTA website (filter by provider - RAF College Cranwell (HQAC)) don’t forget it’s an NGB so can be delivered by any provider, don’t be afraid to get CivCom support.

While I feel our SMEs should be delivering, I do think their delivery should actually decrease on becoming an SME, my rationale;

  • Additional time required as SME for Approvals & Consultation
  • SME does everything, we don’t develop any new staff
  • SME focus should be on the development of CFAVs/Staff Cadets into qualified capable individuals that deliver, this should be the crux of all TORs + Activity Approvals
  • This would also allow SMEs to hold Secondary posts at Sqns

That’s in excess of 2 per Region, while understandably I believe that these are clustered at the NACATCs that deliver regular courses, that we need to advertise better.

Not so, If each CD deliver 3 Modules per annum (Spring / Summer / Autumn) that would deliver 39 modules, each with a minimum of 4 students and therefore 156 students in total, but would expect this to be higher as 4 is a minimum number.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, trickle down comms fail. As an OC Sqn I see it as my responsibility to encourage and support the facilitation of Staff Development and I’d advocate these details being advertised to OCs & Adj’s or at least Corps Wide via a SharePoint Announcement, perhaps even an IBN.

This is a problem, not just for AT but all activity, with negative comments made by few which put off the many.

The problem is that the OC’s who fail to develop staff don’t give them access to Bader either, so it being on Sharepoint doesn’t solve the problem.

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I’m guessing this might be sort of irradicated with Volunteer Portal

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This is where the Sector Commander comes in and rather than having an OC Coffee actually talks to the staff and checks these sort of things, but the likelihood is the WSCs were these OCs :shushing_face: that said I hold out much hope for my current one, 3rd since I became an OC / went into uniform less than 3 years ago!

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Here’s hoping, the amount of stuff I publish which doesn’t seem to get to the Staff is very frustrating.

This is why I firmly those in wing roles should be able to push events pass the OC.

I get why they wouldn’t want that for cadets

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I agree with volunteer portal we should be able to advertise to all staff, I would also like to have that option for staff cadets too.

I get why not for cadets though.

I agree with @Paracetamol in that we need to move away from the “big ticket” miles away courses and events. As things are and will remain for some time, is people travelling across the country or even counties going to be encouraged for non-essential things. Us and what we do is not by any stretch essential, except maybe in some minds. In the current climate I can’t see anyone being willing to transport non family members for quite a while. This will apply to collective travel of any kind. People at work who were bus users to get to/from work, not anymore, they have been driving since last March.

As for staff not knowing about things, rubbish. It’s when you put things in front of them, they look into the details and longer term side of things, they go off the boil. You put the information in front of them and let them decide. Remember these are adults who make decisions about what to do and not to do, every day. It’s not down to the ‘Air Cadets’ to bully, badger or guilt trip them into it, we do that too much with cadets.

Want people to take up things, make it attractive.

Again though this is all being discussed as it’s our problem to solve, it is not, in any way. However if it is, what is the point of our SLT? They should be looking at the problems and coming up with and implementing the solutions. If they can’t, get rid.

We have been in an altered reality since March and this needs to be embraced and change, rather than just try and go back to the same old, same old. But we have too many people with vested interests to consider anything new.

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I merged the two topics with almost identical names, because I think that was what was envisaged.

Carry on.

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Not gonna lie… Got super confused for a moment there

Sorry! I tried but forgot to search for other topics before merging them.

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What are you terming a ‘module’ here?

A single weekend so;

  • LLA Training
  • LLA Assessment
  • Expedition Skills Module