Astra Clothing Programme

I suppose you could argue that increasingly civilian workplaces are moving away from the formal suit/shirt and tie look to much more casual dress codes. Pre pandemic my workplace was very much formal dress, but that’s all gone now.

So why shouldn’t the RAF also look at modernising their offer?

Once we start wearing the RN PCS, with RAF identifiers, we can move onto the next cost cutting exercise… Focusing on the Army and the 28 different berets and 14 different jumpers.

(number for effect, not actual details…)

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The newer RAF MVP wet weather jackets are exactly the same as the RN ones, just a different colour. (And lacking the RN flash).

Today’s VRT meme is on point.

My favourite part of the Cargo Trousers is the loop for hanging things off of, which you know we would categorically not be allowed to hang things off of.

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Makes me think of those lovely “hand warmers” on the smock

Or pen holders on Jumpers…

I use the pen holder - it’s very practical.

Try and stop me.

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Agreed. That’s a really weird cadetism that.

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Especially when pens have a habit of growing legs if left on your desk…

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I love it especially when the ATC RWO pops in. He knows I’m allowed to do it but you can tell it’s like I’m scraping my nails down the blackboard.
But… Don’t forget to remove it before washing

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Agreed but this is not universal.

Teachers, Doctors, lawyers, bank staff, are formal vocations and still adopt a formal dress code, other examples can include those in business like car sales persons and estate agents.

Even the less obvious formal vocations like bus drivers wear shirt and tie.

The military is not “casual” work, and so doesn’t fit with this suggestion

Im sorry what now?

Whereas police officers and fireman wear t-shirts (mostly) and paramedics don’t wear ties.

Bus drivers near me haven’t worn ties in over a decade.

Agreed but they wear overalls and that is appropriate for their role in the sane way the RAF wear coveralls in the hanger.

Yes there are example such as the police where a more casual approach has been taken and local differences with bus drivers but I don’t feel that opens the gates for a free for all.

Not round here they don’t, they wear a pair of trousers and an open necked shirt, very similar in fact to PCS.

I see no problem with formal wear being reserved for formal activities and practical wear being the norm.

My dress code hasn’t changed since the 1700s or earlier. So take that you modernists in your ‘neckties’

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The doctors round here wear scrubs most of the time. Can’t remember the last time i saw a doctor in a suit or tie and I’ve been at the GP a lot with the kids. Same with teachers (at least the female ones) standards have dropped massively in both the kids primary school, Mrs Farmer’s secondary school and the private school where I do CCF. Leggings and a tunic top are the standard. Lawyers, yes in the court room we are still formally dressed (or at least that part of us visible in the camera) but day to day in the office it’s very rare for suit and tie unless you have a client meeting or are in one of those firms where you are being paid far too much to give up your entire life. Every time I’ve been to Chambers for a meeting without clients everyone has been dressed down

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Going to jump in and potentially stir the pot a little and say it’s not just teachers - even in places where the most relaxed the men get is generally open collar, for a while now there has seemed to be a lot more flexibility in what counts as formal enough for women.

I think that’s more a matter of historically greater choice in women’s fashion though…

My biggest issue with these released images is the two-tone design on a single garment. Those trousers look terrible.

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True. Long gone are the days of my youth when I used to enjoy the summer because the women in the office would be in short floaty skirts and strappy tops. Now I’m just jealous that they get to wear that sort of outfit. I can imagine the reaction I’d get showing up in short shorts and a vest. :rofl:

This is my biggest problem too

Also…

People larger than models are going to look rediculous.

And I’m not saying super obese fatties. I mean just the 75% who carry maybe 5kg too much.

The uniforms just don’t look like they would scale or cut right for anyone not bang on optimum weight.