I can’t see why gangsters would want .22???
Yeah. I picked the calibre to add to the sense of rediculousness.
In my head there was a sort of sketch where some stereotypical ruffians in stripey jumpers and masks opportunistically snatch some ammo boxes from somebody’s Ford Fiesta at the services while VRT 1 snoozes behind the wheel (VRTs 2, 3 and 4 being busy in Burger King) and are then chased by four fat blokes in unironed blues shouting: “Stop cough! I’m an RAF wheeze officer! Stop, I say! pant”
Then they’d obviously get back to their hideout and call each other ‘plonkers’ etc, in broad cockney-ish accents for picking up the wrong ammunition.
It’s funnier if you don’t explain it.
You’re absolutely right 
A genuinely sound reason for making SNCO VR(T) right here. What a load of nonsense.
[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=3162]A genuinely sound reason for making SNCO VR(T) right here. [/quote]Or alternatively: Finally a good use for VR(T) officers…
Back on topic, I have no idea how long this will remain in place. I do not think it will be lifted quickly. DSDA (or whatever they are called this week) had this imposed on them post bar mine theft. The remainder of the MoD could use extant 440 and 800 regs which led to a two tier security stance in the eyes of SoS Def. Hence we all now have this ridiculous situation.
FWIW this is causing the RAF (and I imagine Land as well) enormous difficulties because despite what many think there isn’t a massive pool of servicemen available to move bang around. Particularly when it now take 4 dudes to deliver to xxx Sqn. Air is collating how many moves units make to quantify difficulties but I have no idea if they are capturing the data for the number of moves your organisation makes.
[quote=“wild dave” post=3128] (of course with ADR tickets too).
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Wrong. Need explosives awareness training not ADR licenses. Do you have any idea how much 1.4 is needed before you need an ADR license? :woohoo:
I’m sure they’ll love it when we request that our parent station make the 85 mile round trip to deliver our remaining several thousand rnds, since we’re unable to muster 4 volunteer officers to collect it during the working day.
It has seemed for the last few years they’ve been looking to get rid of shooting. So this may just be the thing to facilitate this.
Have had this request to deal with this week also to collate the number of movements my Wing makes in a monthly period. Many more than I thought there would be in the end
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It has seemed for the last few years they’ve been looking to get rid of shooting. So this may just be the thing to facilitate this.[/quote]
I don’t for one moment think that is the case. Shooting is a Core Activity, we may well have to adjust the way we do things and (shock horror) have some more inter-unit co-operation but we will “adapt and over-come” these issues to provide shooting to our cadets. Well I know I certainly will!
Makes sense:
Forbid wearing of MTP so combat clothing gets phased out.
Live shooting too difficult, just bin it and keep some air rifle.
Bin ACP 16, you can achieve similar training, better in civvies under the ‘Adventure Training’ bracket.
Voila, old school Air Cadets. Do you want to be in the Groundcrew Flight or the Aircrew Flight?
Have had this request to deal with this week also to collate the number of movements my Wing makes in a monthly period. Many more than I thought there would be in the end
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Good. I’m glad that angle hasn’t been forgotten. Hopefully the sheer scale of what they are making us do will see common sense prevail. That said…
Get them to call out the duty armouerer and collect it out of hours. More than one way to skin a cat.
And 85 mile round trip! I wish some of our round trips were only that long when I had a hand in this a few years ago… :lol:
I’ll bet…we’re relatively close to our parent station.
BS. It’ll just make things more complicated.
Will wait and see how the reports pan out but I can see it becoming more difficult.
It won’t put an end to shooting, but I agree it will make it more difficult.
Can we move back to Civvy Rules and dispense with a lot of this faff please?
The slightly saving grace, but also a potentially daft thing, is that if you are transporting weapons and ammunition, you can use the two people carrying your weapons (VR(T) of course in this case) as ‘escorts’ for your ammunition provided the vehicles travel in convoy.
The daft bit will be what happens if someone makes a bid to steal from one of the vehicles? Do you leave one to save the other?
This is without doubt a bit of a knee-jerk, but as a ‘responsible organisation’ the MoD has to be seen to be doing something. It will undoubtedly mean restrictions in what we do as the simple logistics of getting four VR(T) staff available every time we need to move Class 1 will be difficult. However, if we want to carry on providing shooting for our cadets’ we will have to manage the problem. As an example, my Wg regularly use an Army Barrack range at weekends so we are looking at whether we can hold ‘our’ ammunition forward. Of course there could be problems in this, not least of which will be whether we can get access to the Garrison’s main magazines at weekends and if not, what the licenced holdings of the guard force’s ready-use armoury are. There may be options for Garrisons/RAF Stns to do a paper exercise and restock any of ‘their’ ammunition that we use against ACO scales.
Probably lots of options, so let’s not be defeatist - not just yet!
The problem comes with having to have done the ADR. We’ve had one course despite promises of others. So the people who really need it, mostly SNCOs and CIs, will have have to be deferred for VR(T) with no real interest in shooting, other than a requirement to baby sit a few rounds of ammo.
We have been told that ADR and SAA aren’t range qualifications, so you could in effect have 4 people required just to drive or sit and listen to the radio. Hardly effective use of anyone’s time, when you can have the people with the range qualifications doing all of it. You can’t even be ammo orderly with ADR as I believe that’s SAA.
Personally this restriction is a complete nonsense in terms of ATC shooting and requires the head shooting man at HQAC to sprinkle some reality dust over the MoD.
Are you talking about the Ancillary Range Duties (ARD) course?