Sorry the ccf need to realise they are part of RAFAC and RAF, this should be a positive step as it could open up more resources but it comes with a tag that HQAC can and will have a say on all activities and people need to grow up and realise if they want to wear a military uniform it comes with military style accountability even if the decision may nit suit. All I see kn this sight is CCF complaining that they are nit getting their own way. Maybe it would have been better to let RHQs make the STOP/GO decision but even then if they gave the answer no one wanted the CCF are not part of the RAFAC supporters will be finding ways around it.
My line is ivwould love to do fmst at in autumn spring but my CofC decline any applications between the formentioned dates. I would copy the orders but my phone doesn’t like sharepoint. As for my role well one day I may go into uniform but then I would need some new socks lol
So basically it must be our wing then
If HQAC are open, honest & trust us, CFAV can be pretty mature & accepting
It says a lot when a comment about the maturity of cadets to understand something opens the box on how CFAV better meet their leadership obligation (and hold the desire to do so) to be understood than HQAC.
The irony is that we actually teach cadets about ego states and encourage them to work towards “adult-adult” conversations, while our own paid and unpaid leaders insist on controlling parent-child.
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For the umpteenth time THE CCF AS A WHOLE IS NOT PART OF THE RAFAC!
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Yes to the former, no to the latter. CCF are also set up with Army having the overall service command with headteachers having control as well because of their statutory duties and powers in a school. CCF and HQCA knew that’s what they signed up for. Sometimes it’s to our advantage, other times it isn’t. We are quite happy playing to the rules. What @WellIbedammed seems to struggle with is that RAFAC isn’t the same thing as ATC and it’s perfectly possible for two groups under one overarching organisation to have slightly different rules, particularly when one of those groups also has to answer to other overarching organisations.
I know it’s not perfect, I’m in an RAF section only CCF and yet we still have to dance to the Army’s tune as well as RAFAC. It would be a lot easier for me to just come under one HQ, but in multi section contingents that doesn’t work
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I do love this phrase - it makes me smile. 
Nobody, anywhere, needs to realise anything
Saying a person or group needs to realise something is trying to force a mindset or culture that that doesn’t natural exist and often it is something that cannot be imposed without force.
To reach a true compromise both sides must adjust to a mutually agreeable situation that works on the ground.
Watch the video link which I use when teaching leadership to my cadets
The CCF often don’t follow the ‘rules’ that are applied to to the ATC because quite frankly, HQAC is unable to enforce them & there is conflict with other rules.
The CCF are separate to the ATC and the ATC needs to realise that RAFAC is not the same as ATC. The CCF also has larger political influence than the ATC due to being under the department of education rather than the MoD let alone The headmaster conference that can write public letters to the Times harming the brand.
The CCF has assisting long before the ATC with some air sections being set up in the 1920s.
I personally feel that the ATC would benefit being more like the CCF & if a Sqn Cdr is canny they can be to a certain extent.
If all the Sqn Cdrs wrote a letter to the chair of defence select committee saying they no longer had confidence in the commandant The commandant would go.
In a free society where people have freedom of thought if you cannot enforce the rule then it is no rule at all, just an illusion of a rule.
They’re not, though.
And, as much as we fall under 22 Group’s umbrella, we’re also objectively and definitively not in the RAF. Anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their hoop.
We’re a cosplaying youth group. That’s it.
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Since this is becoming a “debate the CCF to death” thread, I’ll close this until next week when there might be more to add on the original topic.
Anyone can PM me if they have anything to add before then.
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