But it has to be more than what this suggests.
We’ve had cadets do the PTT and we built it up for the first one and the cadets came back seriously underwhelmed. They did little / nothing more than they had done at the squadron and now it is seen as a box to tick. So if you were to put as I said the time commitment from staff and associated costs for going to this place or similar it needs to be off the scale. This doubt this is at that point and is little more than a fancier flight sim, in a place with an odd title.
A member of my staff has had this discussion with our RC and HQAC.
He is a qualified CFI and now teaches type raitings on 747s, circa 13k hours in his log book (probably more than most RAF pilots when they leave the RAF).
Now we have one of these Gucci flight sims on par if not better than the PTT ones…so why cant he sign off the sim work so they can go to the VGS and AEF for the actual flying bit
He probably could if he went and completed the PTT instructors training and delivered the syllabus at a PTT.
What you’re suggesting is like saying I’ve done lots of shooting so why can’t I just take a load of cadets on a range and show them how to shoot…
Its not really though is it. The staff member in question is a flight instructor and teaches people how to fly for a living with thousands and thousands of hours experience. He is qualified to a higher standard than VGS staff.
Its more like an artillery instructor teaching someone how to fire a spud gun.
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Well he isn’t is he? Unless he’s a QGI of some description?
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Lets not mix “levels” with “standards”. Unless a person holds the right ticket they cannot do a job, even though they may have the capability.
I like the concept of the AOAC and wish it was more widely available. I’m not so keen on the naming, nor whatever mythology they might have built around themselves to sell the idea (cf. QAIC, JL…)
I’m just gutted they’re a bit too far for us to travel to!!
The kit will be similar to this https://viperwing.com/f-18-flight-simulator/
I would love to have this sort of kit local
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Sorry, it really is “jobs for the boys & girls.” I’m probably around the same number of flt hrs, & in my assessment, anyone who has done a PPL syllabus could easily instruct the PTT lessons / demonstrate the PTT. It’s super-simple principles of flight / effects of controls lesson 1.
Just seeing Middleton’s name linked to the AOAC says it all - a huge distraction / waste of resources when the focus at the time (& now) should have been to get flying / gliding back on-line & fight tooth & nail for resources to do so. How much was granted from the RAF Charitable Trust? At least £250,000 & this FoI answer.
Now, if our cadets want to progress on the Aviation Syllabus, we have to trek up to 614 VGS for PTT (only); that’s a day of my time wasted - & yes, I do see it as wasted for what is on offer. I’d rather go 10 miles to our local BGA site & get cadets to do some real flying - last gliding for our cadets was at this BGA site about 2-3 yrs ago having jumped through all the hoops for ACTO35. Ah, now “prohibited” for flights in Non-Service Aircraft. 
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@AOAC Why the St Edwards Crown on the unit crest/badge/whatever the term is, rather than the Astral Crown like almost every other RAFAC unit?
Just curious, do you have a direct CoC through RC(N), CAC, AOC 22 Gp or someone else?
Quick question. What has happened to the Air Operations Acquaintance Centre now that Linton-on-Ouse has closed?
Twitter has basically been dead since Oct 2019 apart from one sporadic post a couple of weeks ago about xmas
Is this the same AOAC otherwise known as the…
Cash sink white elephant personal glory project?
You would need to be more specific
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Lol. Lol indeed.
As discussed previously, it’s actually a pretty good project - a little niche, but overall a great facility that delivered a good experience… If you could get to it (which is mainly what caused a bit of a stink last time. Well, that and flying suits).
I hope it will be running into the future. Let’s not forget the CapEx for the kit was sunk years ago, and I can’t imagine OpEx is that high in the grand scheme.
I’ve merged @Turbo’s question, but there’s no need to rehash old ground so please don’t.
If anyone has news about the AOAC’s future please come forward.
I have spoken to one of the AOAC staff and all of the gear has been removed from Linton and is currently stored at Topcliffe. They are waiting to find out where their new home will be in the future and once they know that, they will move in and get setup again.
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