Afternoon all,
Don’t know if this is the relevant area. I was just wondering if any one has looked into being in the royal marines reserves as you can join at the age of 17 and if this would be an issue in terms of attending cadets, obvious the reserves would take priority. Not to sure weather i’am talking a load of rubbish or if any one has done this, just interested it weather it would be possible or not being in both the ACO and the RMR.
Many thanks Luke
PS. posted else where on the form but released the other is in the wrong place.
[quote=“phantomchicken” post=25395]Afternoon all,
Don’t know if this is the relevant area. I was just wondering if any one has looked into being in the royal marines reserves as you can join at the age of 17 and if this would be an issue in terms of attending cadets, obvious the reserves would take priority. Not to sure weather i’am talking a load of rubbish or if any one has done this, just interested it weather it would be possible or not being in both the ACO and the RMR.
Many thanks Luke
PS. posted else where on the form but released the other is in the wrong place.[/quote]
there were three cadets in a south west wing about 20-22 years ago who stayed in the ACO while being members of RMR - two of them definately green-lidded, don’t know about the other.
two issues leap out however, firstly that at that point pretty much anyone could stay in until they were 20, and CWO’s till they were 22, and secondly that being a reservist, even an RM reservist, was a very different proposition then to being a reservist now.
if you’re thinking of doing it, i’d advise talking to your OC or WSO and taking 3-6 months off ACO business. concentrate all your energy/focuson RMR, and once you’ve got over the initial shock of starting your Cdo training and have survived it, you can then start making decisions about trying to maintain both.
personally, i’d be amazed if, assuming you’ve got anything else going on in your life - college, work, a lady friend - you’d be able to keep both RMR and ACO in the air. i’d also imagine that even if you tried, you’d soon get very bored of the ACO part of that juggling trick.
If you’re talking about remaining a cadet 17-20 and serving in the RMR; then no. JSP814 and AP1919 refer.
If a CI or SNCO, one would have to re-muster as a SI (once out of Phase 1 training - there is a bar on Phase 1 recruits serving as SIs).
I’ll find the relevant quotes tomorrow.
Cheers
BTI
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Indeed. To expand:
You cannot be a cadet and serve in any sort of reserves (excepting UAS/OTC/etc).
You can’t be a service instructor under the age of 18, so as a 17 year old there is no way you can be in the RMR and the ACO.
You can also only be a service instructor under the age of 20 in exceptional circumstances, so there’s not much scope for being in both the ATC and RMR between 18 and 20 either.
Time as well, how could you devote enough to either?
In fact, the - relatively - recent missive re. being able to serve in both the ATC/CCF and a UAS/OTC/URNU directly contradicts both JSP819 and AP1919.
Both state that a cadet automatically ceases to be a cadet on joining the regular or reserve forces. All members of a UAS/OTC/URNU are members of the Reserve Forces.
Haven’t had chance to find the references today, will try tomorrow.
Cheers
BTI
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[quote=“bti” post=25407]In fact, the - relatively - recent missive re. being able to serve in both the ATC/CCF and a UAS/OTC/URNU directly contradicts both JSP819 and AP1919.
Both state that a cadet automatically ceases to be a cadet on joining the regular or reserve forces. All members of a UAS/OTC/URNU are members of the Reserve Forces.
Haven’t had chance to find the references today, will try tomorrow.
Cheers
BTI
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I believe the change was made due to the restrictions on being a service helper under the age of 20.
Still incorrect - HQAC can’t just contradict AP1919 and JSP814!
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The over-riding factor, regardless what the ‘rules’ say, is you can’t serve two masters.
this is true, except in this case one is a master you can leave at any time, and one is a youth club you can leave at anytime. both are entirely voluntary, one has specific, significant mandatory time demands that if you don’t meet will ensure your dismissal, while the other has no specific or indeed significant time demands where turning up a handful of times in 3 months will keep you a member.
the important point to note is that the rules only come into effect when either side knows about the other. i take the view that anyone attempting to pass RMR training will be so busy, and when not busy so exhuasted, that their membership of a cadet oranisation will be an entirely academic, administrative matter. it might matter to whatever sadcase writes JSP’s for a living, but it won’t matter to the real world because no one who wants to pass the Cdo course is going to sack off an RMR weekend (paid…) to attend an ACO thing (unpaid…), and anyone who would prefer to do an ACO thing over an RMR thing very obviously isn’t that keen on the RMR and won’t be a member for long.
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