Sounds like he’s talking out of his rusty bullet-hole.
[quote=“James Blonde” post=1423]Solve the problem by getting the OC to EXPLICITY state the command and seniority structure on the squadron. No confusion then!
(For what its worth, my OC is a Warrant Officer, I’m a time served Flt Lt hanger-on, and the Adj is a Plt Off and knows a damn sight more about the squadron than I do. Do I have a problem with that? Nope…)[/quote]
I’m sure the Pilot Officer is just presenting an elaborate front. I know I am…
hen I first came back from University, the OC is the WO, The Adj was a Sgt, and she WAS the 2 I/C, despite not being the senior Sgt on Squadron, and it was certainly not the case that I became the 2 I/C when I came back. It was always the case that the Adj has always been the 2 I/C on my unit, as that was the clearest indicator of the COs intention.
[quote=“MattB” post=1418][quote=“exmpa” post=1409][quote]Using the infantry battalion example (which is much neater for explanation purposes):
[/quote]???
What on earth relevance has that to anything. Sqn Cdr away, senior Flt Cdr deputises.
exmpa[/quote]Why the senior Flt Cdr? I’m the senior Flt Cdr on my unit, but I’m 3rd in charge.
It’s the senior officer or other appointed deputy, as Perry points out.[/quote]
All wrong!!
In the Army it goes:
CO
2I/C
QM
HQ Sqn OC
similar for when the RSM is away:
RSM
RQMS (even if there are other WO1’s in the unit)
Doesn’t matter anyway, I appear to be way down the chain of command as cadet FS’ now decide what lessons are undertaken, not myself.
Next parade night will be interesting. 
:quote:
5432golf said:b:
Doesn’t matter anyway, I appear to be way down the chain of command as cadet FS’ now decide what lessons are undertaken, not myself. :quote:
Sorry, come again, what role do you have on the sqn, and why is a Cadet FS picking the lessons, i would say ok if they were CMOI and had to teach then they could chose their best subject which is common sense…
[quote=“duty_pongo” post=1461][quote=“MattB” post=1418][quote=“exmpa” post=1409][quote]Using the infantry battalion example (which is much neater for explanation purposes):
[/quote]???
What on earth relevance has that to anything. Sqn Cdr away, senior Flt Cdr deputises.
exmpa[/quote]Why the senior Flt Cdr? I’m the senior Flt Cdr on my unit, but I’m 3rd in charge.
It’s the senior officer or other appointed deputy, as Perry points out.[/quote]
All wrong!!
In the Army it goes:
CO
2I/C
QM
HQ Sqn OC
similar for when the RSM is away:
RSM
RQMS (even if there are other WO1’s in the unit)[/quote]I’m wrong or Exmpa is wrong?
I once knew a Cadet FS who was like that 
I once knew a Cadet FS who was like that ;)[/quote]
May have come from ‘the training programme is buggered NCOs think of something’ something that just cannot be helped at sometimes 
I merely offer my opinion, whether it is acted on, acknowledged or ignored, I’m still a yes man :oops:
[quote=“themajor” post=1504]Sorry, come again, what role do you have on the sqn, and why is a Cadet FS picking the lessons, i would say ok if they were CMOI and had to teach then they could chose their best subject which is common sense…[/quote]I was in charge of the training programme back when I was a Cdt FS!
Ah but the point made seems to indicate that this isn’t expected, whihc in your case it would have been.
[quote=“MattB” post=1505][quote=“duty_pongo” post=1461][quote=“MattB” post=1418][quote=“exmpa” post=1409][quote]Using the infantry battalion example (which is much neater for explanation purposes):
[/quote]???
What on earth relevance has that to anything. Sqn Cdr away, senior Flt Cdr deputises.
exmpa[/quote]Why the senior Flt Cdr? I’m the senior Flt Cdr on my unit, but I’m 3rd in charge.
It’s the senior officer or other appointed deputy, as Perry points out.[/quote]
All wrong!!
In the Army it goes:
CO
2I/C
QM
HQ Sqn OC
similar for when the RSM is away:
RSM
RQMS (even if there are other WO1’s in the unit)[/quote]I’m wrong or Exmpa is wrong?[/quote]
I’m wrong! haha…
D_P’s reminding me about the QM… although I think he’s more sort of added to what I said than corrected it.
[quote=“themajor” post=1504]:quote:5432golf said:b:
Doesn’t matter anyway, I appear to be way down the chain of command as cadet FS’ now decide what lessons are undertaken, not myself. :quote:
Sorry, come again, what role do you have on the sqn, and why is a Cadet FS picking the lessons, i would say ok if they were CMOI and had to teach then they could chose their best subject which is common sense…[/quote]
Training Off - I left the office to begin my own lesson to find them setting up for it. :mad:
Have since made a recovery of “the plan” which was given to them. They merely decide things on their own.
Counselling begins Thursday.
[quote=“5432golf” post=1374]Hello everyone.
I’m quite convinced that in the olden days (I am under 30) that Adjutant position was normally held by by next ranking officer etc.
I’ve been “informed” recently that there is a CI out there telling fellow adjutants that in bosses absence, they are the stand-in squadron commander.
Am I meant to be taking commands off a CI then? As an officer coming up on his first service extension?! :woohoo:[/quote]
I have also heard that the Adj is traditionally the post of the 2ic, but it is not a hard and fast rule. I have spent plenty of time being the 2ic on sqns and never been the adj, I prefer and am better suited to other roles like TO (hate paperwork).
When the CO is away they should make it clear who they are devolving their CO powers to in their absence. As everyone needs to know who makes on the spot decisions, who buck stops with, who has power to suspend etc.
This would normally fall to next in the chain in command however depending on people and situations the CO might choose to nominate different member of staff.
If I were you I would bring this up with the CO ask them to decide and publicly confirm who they are leaving in charge. If that person is not you but should be you by chain of command ask them why they have made a different decision and take on board the constructive criticism if you are given some.
Most likely this CI is just trying to take advantage of a perceived opportunity to gain power and the CO doesn’t know what they are telling people. But it might be that they are being left in change in which case it is only fair to have them explain to you why you have been overlooked. Your approach could be an opportunity to get some issues ironed out.
[quote=“themajor” post=1440]If the OC was to be away for an extended period, surely they would nominate who is to act on their behalf whilst absent. The OC in reality is only going to be away on leave, so we are talking about 2 weeks here.
If a major issue came up during this period, such as safeguarding that would normally go to the OC, i would infact raise it with the Sector Commander.[/quote]
This is it in a nutshell. If I had someone who was that desparate to be OC everytime the OC has a night or 2 off, just for amusement I wouldn’t nominate them and go for someone they don’t get on with. For up to 3 weeks I wouldn’t see the need for deputy as the TO is doing trg things and adj dealing with the majority of everything else.
I suppose it depends what you mean wrt safeguarding, as reporting of REAL safeguarding issues sits with the person to whom it was disclosed, not the OC, you might tell the OC just so they are aware, but it’s your baby. I am more than adamant with my staff about that. If it’s some local sqn based issue then it can wait until the OC gets back, I know this as when I was on hols earlier in the year something came up, someone called our WSO and was told to take notes and leave until I got back the following week.
…Flt Lt Bloggs assumes temporary command of 123 Squadron vice Flt Lt Smith (leave) and is granted powers of punishment in accordance with QR’s and his rank…
I’m going to send an email out to all my wing announcing that next time I’ve a couple of weeks off sqn…