Or the Court of Appeal and beyond? 
I thought someone already had gone to employment lawyers about this?
Back to the Commission changeā¦
Personally I donāt give a rats about the change to my āstatusā, even though it may affect what I can do for the Corps. What has really āground my gearsā is the way that this has been approached the CoC and what I would describe akin to contempt for the volunteer during the process.
The whole approach has been a fudge from start to finish and it would appear that the whole reason for the change in the first place was to obfuscate the inadequacies in the CoC (dealing with complaints from the volunteer) from those in 22 Group.
I wonāt repeat what has been written above because the point was made, but when it gets to the point when we canāt even issue badges properly, then we are in big trouble. We are of course at that point now.
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Agreed!
And I think every current OC who has been in post for more than 2 months, will be of the same opinion.
The change of status from VRT means nothing in terms of how we are regarded, it will still be the unwashed. HQAC need to really analyse why in particular OCs go NEP as soon as the opportunity arises, I heard of another one at the weekend (having a second child) and I was shocked as a more enthusiastic bloke you are unlikely to find. Apparently the rumour mill says heās not coming back as heās been harassed over what heās not done, despite having a successful sqn.
I jacked after my first child OCship. Aināt no way Iām putting the ATC - or babysitting other peoples kids - in front of my own child! I particularly detested the phone calls on non-parade nights and during my working day to deal with ATC BS. All credit to him for sticking with it through 1 child and into 2!
Christ Iāve got 3 and carried on, although they were older when I became OC. But the ATC was always and still is 3rd behind family and work. Even with grown up children, non cadet nights are mine to do with as I see fit.
The additional problem we in the Corps is social media and email, which didnāt exist for a large part of my time as OC, and seem to just to invade personal space. I make it quite clear that donāt call me at home or outside the squadron unless it is life or death. Ping me an email and I may look at it but donāt expect a response. I tend to ignore a lot of the chatter on the FB group as it is just parental noise because their kids donāt listen.
OR the parents!
Agreed, but only so long as it doesnāt change how weāre treated - if it gets in the way of doing business (oh, you need to be military to do that) then I will start to careā¦
We will be treated exactly the same ā¦ badly.
The lack of comprehending the people turning up during the week and at weekends to do things with cadets wonāt change, be that wrt a change of status for Officers or organisation name.
Consider all the issues we had before with SNCOās & CIās not being allowed to move Ammunition or L98ās because they werenāt service personnel.
This is an issue now hopefully resolved, but the same could still happen again. It only takes 1 overly imaginative 1* in the Army to say āwait a minute why are we letting civvies in uniform sign out Section 5 Firearmsā and we would be more knackered than last time.
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So how come SNCOs I know in the ACF donāt have any problems? The quals are all the same so why is it a problem in the ATC? May be a question to the shooting punker wallahs.
We are staying off topic but the firearms act exemption are clear and wide ranging for cadet purposes.
Yes they were but it didnāt stop somebody getting a twitchy sphincter and stopping NCOs and CIs drawing arms and ammo.
And that ānon-issueā - which, on paper, was quite straight forward - put a significant āpauseā in shooting across some areas of the ATC. It generated a lot of ill feeling amongst a wide range of people - not just NCOs & CIs. It caused a degree of resentment amonst a few non-shooting VRTs I know who suddenly found themselves getting CTC checks and booked on SATT courses just to enable them to move A&A for Sqn/Wg - despite the fact they have no interest in the shooting. āFor the greater goodā was the line rolled out by those on high. Several months later they find they had literally wasted time because somebody up the food chain had a twitchy sphincter!
It boiled down to poor volunteer management and poor communications. Hmmā¦ there could be a theme developing with those two terms?
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Can we not mention that particular personās sphincter please?
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And letās not forget the civilian armoury staff who could no longer deliver ammunition and service weapons!
Most of these things are historic and the folly and errors of their ways of the decision makers exposed for what they were. They acted in haste (default position) and didnāt attempt any sort of common sense evaluation of their decisions.
You would hope that in the future someone sees sense confronted with such a situation and correlates qualifications to need and not the bit of material you wear on your shoulder.
I would like to see what you really need to have a āuniformā in the Corps to do, given that the vast majority of uniformed staff canāt see anything in the current system, outside of Sqn Cdr or Wg Cdr. There are an increasing number of WExOs who have no military backgrounds and only seem to wear a uniform and have a pretend rank to avoid confusing idiots in the Forces, who supposedly canāt cope with civilians, despite the vast number of civilians running things in the Forces. If the WExO doesnāt need a āuniformā, why do we?
really??? why do we need a uniform??