Volunteer Allowance Review

For me that’s bad planning/organisation by whoever is running the activity.

I don’t expect CI’s to be Duty Officer on Activities that I’m running, they aren’t getting VA and they haven’t made that commitment to go into uniform so why should they be DO. (On the same basis a Commissioned Officer is more likely to be DO on one of my Camps than an NCO if I have the numbers or it’s only a weekend).

If we are running activities on a Camp/Activity Day that Staff have to pay for I would always ensure that the CI’s get paid for out of Camp funds, we need to provide a 1:10 staff ratio so the Camp should pay for 1 member of staff in 10, that would always be the Ci’s in my book.

4 Likes

It’s an allowance, not a right. I think when there were less employment rights there was less issue as they could call it what it is, pay.

Do that now and you end up with the Uber situation, sickness, holidays, pension all rear their ugly heads.

As I’ve said happy for a lower amount but it’s still up to the organisation who and for what the allowance can be given. Would remove some burden on org and volunteers and potentially free UK some cash. Taking the fy17-18 civilian volunteer renumeration of just over £5,150,000 and assuming RAFAC are paying the required 13.8% employers NI contribution thats £710,000 extra whether that’s more AT equipment or camps or whatever I’m sure that could be better spent 🤷

It wouldn’t remove the liability. For those who get their tax free allowance via PAYE on their primary employment they would still pay at least Basic Rate 20% on their VA (more if they are already in the higher brackets); because their VA will be additional income above their allowance.

Those who do not pay tax via PAYE would receive the full VA amount and then pay tax on their total earnings, including the VA - just as we do now.

It would if the rate were low enough or agreed with HMRC. Scale rate for reasonable costs is £25 per day without any negotiation and the charity can provide that to volunteers who spend more than 15 hours from leaving the house to returning home, or arrive back after 2000 or stay away overnight without meals included in accomodation cost.

Ignore headline rate and apply tax and NI and lower rate tax payer, based on £65 day rate, would get about £45 currently and a higher rate around £37

You are making the fatal error of assuming that removing it from one pot means it will go to a different pot. I sincerely doubt that would ever happen - if they lower or remove VA it will simply go. It won’t be used to fund other cadet things, that is not the way the world works.

5 Likes

Aye, but those are rates for expenses.
VA isn’t expenses. We have a separate system for expenses - Travel and Subsistence allowance.

It’s all going. To be replaced with a flat rate tax free bounty for uniformed personnel with a number of qualifying days to claim. Tiered bounty for tiers of qualifying days under the bar. Successful payment will also be linked to being in date of certain qualifying core competencies.

And your proof is?

1 Like

Alignment with UAS. Also intent to credit some elements of uniformed service with some modules of non commissioned and commissioned entry.

That isn’t proof, that’s you adding words to something you’re claiming is decided.

4 Likes

And why would they align us with the Volunteer Reserve when only a few years ago they decided we didn’t need that connection anymore?

1 Like

More to the point, why would the align us with a tiny amount of staff who do in reality a very different role than we do.

Astra. Personnel will either be in the RAF with a variety of contracts and TCoS or the single Reserve which is training bounty only, no pay or employment rights. RAFAC aligned to this second type.

The UAS is an entirely different service. CFC vs RAFVR. Might as well claim we’ll all get 10hrs each in a Tutor every year…

3 Likes

AEF pilots will fall into former and will lose VR(T) and just become RAF, just contract will be tailored. VGS people a problem because elements of occupational health are provided and need to include obligations to cooperate with service investigations.

I really would question what you’ve been smoking. In the 2FTS thread you were talking about not being able to show slides as it gives away confidential org information. Now you’re claiming to know the new ins-and-outs of the upcoming pay system that no one has heard of and happy to talk about it openly?

I am very confused.

6 Likes

And I’ll be made both pope and Queen of Sheba.

I wonder if that attracts a higher rate of VA :thinking::man_shrugging:

3 Likes

RAF IBN 59/20 has already announced the start of the rationalisation

giphy

3 Likes

The Reserve doesn’t sound very attractive compared to the current RAF Reserves or would they become RAF with specific terms and conditions that mirror today i.e. not much change?