Update to Heat Illness Policy

It needs a flow diagram somewhere in the IBN or policy for activity commanders to follow so they know when an activity is EAL and what is required of them formally if it is.

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Indeed, it needs to be idiot proof.

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Policy should be written for the idiot, not by the idiot.

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:point_up: Oh bravo Sir, magnifico.

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So heat wave set to continue.

Bet Cosford will go ahead for cadets, no issue, because it’s too late to do anything.

If heat wave continues for the next week, wonder/bet Muster will be allowed to continue to save face in front of RAF :roll_eyes:

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The way I read it, it’s a conversation between the approver and the activity commander to decide whether it’s EAL. There are too many variables to distill into a flowchart I suspect.

As an example the PSRCs I am running at the end of the month I would expect not to be EAL, as they are all adults, it’s not long periods of physically demanding work - short periods maybe punctuated by rests, demonstrations and discussion. Still technically AT but I would not expect it to be classified as EAL.

A Gold DofE Exped in demanding terrain carrying full equipment, all cadets with varying levels of fitness - probably EAL.

Liaising with the approver is just a step in the flow chart surely so you know what admin (and kit) you need to produce based on their decision?

If you can contact them after 13:00 on a Friday or worse they are on leave or absent.

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There’s a section in the commander’s guide about work levels (and RPE).

Could that not be a fairly good reference for what counts as EAL or not?

E.g anything over 5 (“moderate work”) is considered EAL?

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Although my limited knowledge of sportsball has RPE being measured out of 20 rather than 10 :thinking:

True - it was more that you said there needed to be a flowchart to make that decision (whether EAL or not). A higher level flowchart with making that decision as a step is definitely feasible and a good idea.

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At 2.5k …2 tops

MIL is on DofE with her school. Already had two drop out with the heat and she’s insisting the rest carry on. It’s because of adults like this that we have these strict rules. (We all know one CFAV who would act the same).

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Unfortunatly those types wont learn until theyre infront of a judge

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She won’t learn then either. She’ll be a victim of the system.

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Given a team is a max of 7 (IIRC), to have 2 drop is a huge percentage proportion. Unless those 2 individuals are known for it, that should be a big red flag to any competent leader.

Had similar high-energy activity two weekends ago.

Started earlier in the day… tailed off in the middle, doing some low-level training in the wooded area/indoors, then more activity into the evening.

Just change it around to achieve your trainign aims, without injuring people…

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Sorry @Tornado but you’re going to need to start following the rules.

This is RAFAC. Common sense is banned.

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Sorry. I shall take myself outside, and have a damned good word with myself…

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We had an event planned for tomorrow. Spent all last night reading through the guidance and decided we couldn’t run it and be sure we were in line with the new policy. It’s hot and humid today but seems silly to cancel as we can’t take the risk that we might have missed something. The documents don’t make it clear what we need to show.

Disappointing again.

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