Timer plugs?
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It’s the actual sockets, they have a button and you can allow them to come on for 1, 2 or 3 hours at a time, then you have to press them again.
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Do they not at least have a frost protection setting? So they come on before it gets to 0C?
We always just used to leave our heaters on low/medium all winter. Helped stop the building going mouldy 
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Casual observation for why HI is being prioritised over CI….
A lot more (outdoor / public) activities take place in the summer…
Especially DofE, AT, camps, RM, Sports, RIAT etc. Being outdoor events - high likelihood of larger numbers involved.
In terms of planning for prevention, it’s harder to plan for cooling people down than planning to warm them up…. Need to find / provide shade, appropriate clothing, are cadets & staff actually putting suncream (adequatel coverage, adequate SPF, in date and reapplied regularly) and hats on etc.,
Whereas - let’s be realistic, activities are likely to be wound down - or at least focussed on indoor activities when it’s blatantly obvious that it is going to be chuffing cold!
On activity, kit check to ensure all participants HAVE warm hats, gloves, extra layers etc… otherwise sent home…
Just my thinking…
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The issue is that the real risk of Cold Injuries is March/April and Sept/Oct the start and end of DofE season, when it can be chucking it down with rain or when the wind chill can really catch you out, especially up the hills or on a training area.
I’ve never seen “carryonitis” in the heat (outside of HQAC and RIAT), I’ve had to put my foot down in the wing and rain before. (People tend to take the “if it’s not training it’s not raining” approach).
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And things like cross country comps in January. Making cadets stand on ‘parade’ after the event when they’re knackered and only wearing shorts and a jumper when it’s 2°C.
I’ve popped off about that before…
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I tend to adopt the following approach:
Although i recognise its easier to warm people up than cool then down prevention by not doing the activity is valid in both scenarios
#Nijmegen
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Email just sent by SCC HQ to all cadet parents…
Dear all,
This fortnight I have the following update for you:
Hot weather conditions – As we all enjoy the summer months, please make sure your child follows the guidance below, when attending Sea Cadets activities:
- Covers up e.g. wears a hat, long sleeves, sun cream, finds shade
- Stays hydrated and looks after each other
- Limits time outside in the middle of the day
Make sure your child takes a hat, water bottle and sun cream with them on activities.
Useful links:
- Heatwave: how to cope in hot weather
- Heat exhaustion and heatstroke
- Register to receive UK weather-health alerts
I wish you and your family a great weekend.
Martin Coles CBE
Sea Cadets Chief Executive
What a sensible approach to comms around Heat Illness - direct to all inboxes, no faff or waffle… sigh
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No cascade failure either direct to everyone & avoids traditional pass the parcel chain of command bureaucracy.
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Who is this man, far too sensible. Promote him the CRAFAC immediately.
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Looking at the weather forecast for Fairford for the next week I don’t heat is likely to be a problem, more chill and wet.
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Makes all that extra effort to complete modules 1&2 of the heat illnesses all worthwhile
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If you feel it’s unsafe and staff and cadets may come to harm or suffer unnecessary, then ALL staff have the duty of care to STOP what they are doing and remove all to a safe location and protect them. If it’s too hot STOP, if it’s too wet STOP, too cold STOP. More than one of the previous then why would you not STOP!!?? Someone getting all upset that you have stopped won’t be the one defending you if it were to go pear shaped. I’d rather take a rollicking for being warm, dry and safe rather than answering questions of why someones hot, wet or dead.
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yes? and words.
Can you clarify if you were replying to something specific or making a point/counter point please?
So yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the sad incident that kicked off the focus on heat injuries across the MoD
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They bit that stick out to me on that thread was
The risk assessment had been created by copying and pasting the risk assessment of the so-called “lead regular unit”. Neither the Training Officer nor Training Warrant Officer knew what Land Forces Standing Order 3214 actually said
How many times have know that to happen or it’s regarded as “accepted standard practise”
& if someone had actually read the standing order challenges around proper use & application to cadet forces would probably be a lot further along without the pressure of the past incidents.
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I was just about to post that…
Both the thread, and the coroner’s report, are excoriating - and well worth reading.
It’s not about the details, some of which will apply, and some of which won’t - it’s about culture, and the culture (the rules don’t apply, this is too important) really applies to the ACO.
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I was regular army before this incident occured, and can absolutely tell you that the “just tick the boxes and crack on” attitude is in no way constrained just to the SF community. PTIs in particular appeared to be the biggest culprits of it.
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Exactly. How many times do we see “refer to AP/JSP 1234” in our policy, or in emails, yet we then have no way to access it as we don’t have MOD sharepoint access…
And now, look at our heart illness policy. We’re following a policy that doesn’t apply to children and the MOD themselves have admitted they wouldn’t be able to defend it in a coronors court!
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