Update to Heat Illness Policy

Careful - we might get a pause for weather

Dont know which weather …
…just weather

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I said it above…HQ have had months to implement something but waited to the 11th hour to impose an impossible expectation

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How many at HQRAFAC involved in this are reservists and come under military law, either they are told to resign, or face a court-martial for negligence? Either way a clear out is required.

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What they’ve ‘implemented’, referring to the recent IBN and policy update, goes directly against what is quoted above. It’s utter madness.

How can I now as a volunteer take cadets out when it’s hot. I’ve seen text explicitly saying the way we risk manage it (using the JSP rules) is not adequate, and not defendable in a coroners court.

That’s not some random internet strangers opinion. That’s the opinion of The National Air Safety Investigation Team at RAF Cranwell.

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I know we do a lot of training, but I didn’t realise we were literally becoming trains now too…

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The RAFACs problem is who pays for it, the RAFAC or RAFCT?

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It’s a clown show.

We now have the clearest evidence that those at HQAC responsible for setting policy are not suitable.

The whole lot need clearing out. CAC included.

In the context of shutting the rest of the organisation down, CAC allowed this to continue. He even released a message stating “do what is right, not what is easy”. CAC has failed to ensure timely action following the investigation. CAC has failed to ensure an adequate and suitable policy provision has been created.

He may have found many problems that need fixing when he took post, but he clearly hasn’t succeeded in fixing them or tasking the right people to do so. He sounds like he talks the talk, but clearly from a management and procedural perspective he isn’t walking the walk.

We’ve got key activities shut down (e.g. ACPS), qualifications that were being pushed so fervently not long ago no longer exist and aren’t likely to be replaced this year, core activities are almost non-existent in some areas (shooting, fieldcraft, flying), and increasing admin burden and anxiety among CFAV. Now have impossible policy requirements to add to the list that THEY KNOW are unsuitable and have done for 9 months.

9 months to create something that can’t be adhered to and from the start should have been binned as an idea.

Part of the role of a leader is take others on the journey with you. He has very little CFAV support (for clarity: real people, not just forum users, also don’t like him), the cadets don’t like him, and even parents are complaining about the ramifications of his actions and inaction. They may have dipped back out again, but not long ago we had parents joining ACC to ask about ACPS and the BTEC.

I try to take a balanced view, I try not to pile on, I try to say “ah but that’s this person’s responsibility”, but I simply can’t any more. Buck stops at him.

Failing to manage the organisation, failing to manage the people, failing to lead.

In this particular instance, failing to safeguard cadets.

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On it.

…aaaaand done.

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Luckily enough a field hospital gets deployed to Nijmegen.

There is actually one at RIAT usually manned by an Army reserve field hospital.

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They look a little sunburned…

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Haven’t read the climatic injuries dicuments.

Nah, they read it all. Just decided to ignore it for their event because they thought it didn’t effect them :wink:

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I know RCN reads these forums.

I really hope he reads the most recent threads and doesn’t dismiss all that’s been said as the by-product of whining.

And if you are reading… It’s very simple; prove us wrong.
If you can; great. We’ll all be able to relax.
If you can’t… Whole other ball game.

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RC(N) is not a medical professional and most importantly not beholden to a regulatory body outside the RAF/RAFAC. Even RAF medical service have to abide by the strictures imposed on medical professionals by the regulatory bodies.

He can scream and shout about ‘whining’ it won’t do him any good as it will fall on any sensible medical professionals ears as irrelevant.

i don’t think someone needs to be a medical professional to understand:

  1. A report says “the use of a WBGT is not suitable risk measure for Cadet activities”
  2. HQAC have 9 months later issued an IBN/policy which indicates we should be adopting the WBGT data for Cadet activities.

this is not a medical professional problem.
this isn’t even a metrological professional problem
this is a professional problem - HQAC are not being professional about their decisions, they appear to not even be competent given they are not only not listening, but going against their own advice.

I suspect GM_F is asking RC(N) to indicate there is no contradiction (“prove us wrong”) not what the opinion of a medical professional would do

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I’ve got to say, if something happens because of reliance on WBGT and people ended up in front of me with this factual matrix

they would have a hard time convincing me they had acted reasonably. Admittedly my sitting experience has not been in the coroner’s court, but I have appeared in them.

Although anything involving cadets I’d recuse myself anyway.

Comandant has proven he is a fool.
He has surrounded himself with fools and has allientated all those he should rely on for sound advise.

He MUST go.

Has AOC 22 Gp seen the FoI? The position of CRAFAC must be tendered out immediately and not to some other moronic staffer with no experience.

AOC 22 Gp.
Fire him
Or risk losing the whole of RAFAC.