UAS/RPAS (‘Drones’) on squadron

Land owners don’t really own the air above them, and most of the time these signs aren’t worth the material they’re written on.

I can put a sign at the end of my drive saying no drones, but I can’t do anything else to stop someone flying over my house…

(And yes there may be bylaws etc, but generally it’s just a polite request)

Has anyone had any success at using small drones at their Squadron, indoors, perhaps behind a net?

Need to risk assess the size of the holes in the net, cadets could see that as a challenge to meddle with, and get stuck in. Its simply because of the cadets we cannot do fun things. Have we thought about removing the cadets from the…oh…yeah…ignore that :grimacing:

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In the past I had some small helicopters. We used to set up obstacles courses, give the cadets some practice time in teams then select the best one to race against other teams through the course. BUT I think that would now required the Gold +++ course and an 87 page risk assessment, hard hats, glasses, gloves, face shields…

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You might jest but you should see the risk assessment I’ve had to produce for synthetic training!

12guage? With buckshot?

Yes, yes, that’d do it.

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As funny a solution as this may be, I believe it is seen in the same light as trying to shoot at a Cessna flying over your house, and you can be charged with endangering an aircraft.

Or shining a torch at a pilot whilst night flying.

2 years in the pokey.

Just coming back to this, ACTO 75 has been updated with guidance for indoor flying at the end, and it all seems reasonable enough.

The only odd bit is this:

… ensure an appropriate risk assessment is carried out before any flying takes place. This should be raised and authorised within SMS, as with any other RAFAC activity.

Given this will likely be a parade night activity, it wouldn’t be normal to be raising an SMS event. So some clarity may be needed here @Hercules whether or not an SMS event is actually needed. Under the ‘Aviation’ group, there is no RPAS option anyway, so what would it be under? And given indoor flying is not RtL, it shouldn’t require any higher sign off, in the same way most parade night non-RtL activities are run.

Is that a challenge?? That sounds like a challenge…

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@Squirrel, is it because of this:

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Truthfully, I hadn’t realised there was any chance of indoor drone flying.

I just liked the irony of “we want more of this” and “stop doing this” within 24 hours.

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This is what we should be aiming for

ETA if you don’t want to log in to Facebook there’s a write up here: British Air Force pioneers new combat tactic launching drones from Chinook helicopter in flight

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That’s pretty cool! Not sure of the exact expected use case, but a cool proof of concept though.

Extending range for recce I think.

A Chinook seems like an expensive way of doing that!

The Ukrainians have been setting up some awesome aerial relay stations to get some incredible ranges. They have 2 pilots with two drones, one that flies 10km away and acts as a relay to the next one that can then do 30km. (numbers made up, but you get the idea!)

It’s pretty impressive to see it in action. I’d share videos, but most of them involved people getting killed at the other end, so, y’know, NSFW.

As usual, something that was perfectly safe yesterday is now banned because of a PROCESS issue, not a safety issue. This is why this organistion is falling apart. Surely the better course would have been to allow it continue under the old process until a re-write of ACTO 75 - which has shown itself already not to be fit for purprose within how long of publication? - is compeleted.

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Into an area as an underslung load in a container to a special forces team, who, after securing it, take the Chinook taxi out.

With another region adding in a STOP STOP STOP for indoor drones, I’m afraid the team has let us down. I did say months back - they were concentrating on the big shiny gold-plated “look at what we can do” stuff, whilst, as predicted, stuffing up what would be delivered on a squadron level with the cadets. And that’s exactly what has happened. Who in their right mind starts the Policy at the highest level without even getting the BASIC process right.

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Paging @Hercules . I appreciate you may not be able to comment on an individual level but I think the frustrations are evident?