[quote=“Operation Exile” post=11228]Not sure if these are as common in the UK yet (though I did read about some insurance companies offering discounts for people who have them fitted) but this is a great tool for these kind of situations.
Front and rear facing cameras continuosly record with audio. Just an extra layer of evidence that can be used to defend any such allegations.
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That’s great until you try and go onto a military establishment; you will find recording devices like that are banned.
That’s great until you try and go onto a military establishment; you will find recording devices like that are banned.[/quote]
I was at a military establishment at the weekend and there were cameras on the walls in the interview rooms.[/quote]
I saw some CCTV cameras all around a military base, and the guardhouse were doing nothing about it!
That’s great until you try and go onto a military establishment; you will find recording devices like that are banned.[/quote]
I was at a military establishment at the weekend and there were cameras on the walls in the interview rooms.[/quote]
When the cameras are operated by the MOD its different.
However they wont stop you using recording equipment unless its in certain areas or sensitve infomation is about unlike in the Nuclear industry where you cant even take a phone onto a power plant because of the camera.
[quote=“Perry Mason” post=11213]What about transgenered?
What about bisexuals? (would make it doubly akward!)
What about cadets with varied sexuality?
Oh won’t somebody pelase think of the children!
Simple answer to the general issue - is never unless it is absolutely unavoidable find yourself alone with a cadet (of any gender). 2 or more cadets however and you should be safe from allegations (unless they just don’t like you).[/quote]
Sorry. That’s really the point I was trying to make.
It just strikes me that some people feel the need to jump up and down over perceived ‘inappropriate behaviour’ where there is no impropriety without a serious application of imagination…
For example, I once had a CI rant at me about ‘being alone with a female cadet’ when I stopped on my way out of the squadron gate to talk to a cadet, her mother and a staff cadet they were giving a lift home… :huh:
[quote=“tango_lima” post=11262]
For example, I once had a CI rant at me about ‘being alone with a female cadet’ when I stopped on my way out of the squadron gate to talk to a cadet, her mother and a staff cadet they were giving a lift home… :huh:[/quote]
I hope you told the CI where to go! I may be harsh, but I am very allergic to stupidity!
[quote=“tango_lima” post=11262]Sorry. That’s really the point I was trying to make.
It just strikes me that some people feel the need to jump up and down over perceived ‘inappropriate behaviour’ where there is no impropriety without a serious application of imagination…
For example, I once had a CI rant at me about ‘being alone with a female cadet’ when I stopped on my way out of the squadron gate to talk to a cadet, her mother and a staff cadet they were giving a lift home… :huh:[/quote]
Unforunately there are many people in this organisation (and life in general) who wade in when they don’t have a clue what theyre talking about, and/or like to cause trouble.
Safeguarding is a subject to be taken seriously, but it (for most in the ACO) is not a job/vocation and there is not a peadophile under every stone, or cadet waiting to make a malicious allegation at the first opportunity.
[quote=“Perry Mason” post=11264]Unforunately there are many people in this organisation (and life in general) who wade in when they don’t have a clue what theyre talking about, and/or like to cause trouble.
Safeguarding is a subject to be taken seriously, but it (for most in the ACO) is not a job/vocation and there is not a peadophile under every stone, or cadet waiting to make a malicious allegation at the first opportunity.[/quote]
Absolutely right.
I think that HQAC should, historically, publish by year and region how many allegations have been made, for what and the outcomes ie upheld staff dismissed/civil action or no action, and what instances/offences cause hold ups in DBS clearances. The ATC’s jungle drums would send any messages relating to local ones faster than light.
In my nearly 30 years as staff, I’ve only heard locally of 2 instances of staff/cadet relationships both pre-CRB/DBS and 3 which have been associated with staff being accused of bullying, that have resulted in some form of action, only 1 of the latter post CRB/DBS. Of course there may be more that get dealt with at sqn level. However there have been numerous adulterous relationships between staff and staff with parents, which have gone on with no action, apart from citing in divorce proceedings and one near fisty cuff situation. I would suggest that staff getting adulterously involved with the parent of a cadet, has serious safeguarding implications as you are, probably, adversely affecting the welfare of the child in ther home and potentially compromising them within the ATC.
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=11297][quote=“Perry Mason” post=11264]Unforunately there are many people in this organisation (and life in general) who wade in when they don’t have a clue what theyre talking about, and/or like to cause trouble.
Safeguarding is a subject to be taken seriously, but it (for most in the ACO) is not a job/vocation and there is not a peadophile under every stone, or cadet waiting to make a malicious allegation at the first opportunity.[/quote]
Absolutely right.
I think that HQAC should, historically, publish by year and region how many allegations have been made, for what and the outcomes ie upheld staff dismissed/civil action or no action, and what instances/offences cause hold ups in DBS clearances. The ATC’s jungle drums would send any messages relating to local ones faster than light.
In my nearly 30 years as staff, I’ve only heard locally of 2 instances of staff/cadet relationships both pre-CRB/DBS and 3 which have been associated with staff being accused of bullying, that have resulted in some form of action, only 1 of the latter post CRB/DBS. Of course there may be more that get dealt with at sqn level. However there have been numerous adulterous relationships between staff and staff with parents, which have gone on with no action, apart from citing in divorce proceedings and one near fisty cuff situation. I would suggest that staff getting adulterously involved with the parent of a cadet, has serious safeguarding implications as you are, probably, adversely affecting the welfare of the child in ther home and potentially compromising them within the ATC.[/quote]
Haha you have NO chance. Organisations don’t like to display their dirty laundry in public. As soon as you write it down, some fool will slap an FOI on it and the next thing is we are front page new of the Daily Mail, “Air Cadets bullying/abuse/pervert* scandal” regardless of the numbers (1 in 40,000)
Surely if someone wanted to slap an FOI request on that material they could already? Your response suggests that complaints are investigated and resolved off paper. (Perhaps by a secret branch of HQAC who operate off the record?)
Surely if someone wanted to slap an FOI request on that material they could already? Your response suggests that complaints are investigated and resolved off paper. (Perhaps by a secret branch of HQAC who operate off the record?)[/quote]
Nope, if you know a bit about FOI you realise that you can only request summaries or stats. Personal information is redacted and any bulk item can be rejected. If it would take a long time to count all the cases, then that can be rejected also. Ways and means Act.
[quote=“talon” post=11263][quote=“tango_lima” post=11262]
For example, I once had a CI rant at me about ‘being alone with a female cadet’ when I stopped on my way out of the squadron gate to talk to a cadet, her mother and a staff cadet they were giving a lift home… :huh:[/quote]
I hope you told the CI where to go! I may be harsh, but I am very allergic to stupidity![/quote]
I was initially confused, then inclined to be very blunt and in the end I settled for pointing out that we were both grown men, I was quite capable of taking responsibility for my own actions and if he genuinely had an issue with my behaviour then it was his responsibility to report me.
It’s just as much against the rules to have a ‘personal relationship’ with the parents of cadets as it is with cadets themselves…
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It’s just as much against the rules to have a ‘personal relationship’ with the parents of cadets as it is with cadets themselves…[/quote]
But one of our cadet’s parents is my Mum? Come to think of it the other is my Dad!
[quote=“Baldrick” post=11314][quote=“tango_lima” post=11313]
It’s just as much against the rules to have a ‘personal relationship’ with the parents of cadets as it is with cadets themselves…[/quote]
But one of our cadet’s parents is my Mum? Come to think of it the other is my Dad![/quote]
Hang on! That must mean one of the cadets is related to you as well!
Unacceptable. Report to HQAC for public shaming and castigation. You’d better hope we don’t find out you ever looked at any Facespace internets to do with any of them!