Pretty sure re-accrediting your DofE Assessor counts as 1 unit, doing things like Mountain First Aid counts as a unit.
Doing a qualification counts as 2 units so you are covered for 5 years after you do any course.
It’s been deliberately designed so that you require the same level of staff in your log if you have 1 qualification or if you have 10.
It’s still 20 days over 5 years and 2 units of CPD.
Eh? Isn’t it over 5 years not the last year?
So if I’ve done nothing in the last 4 years, but loads of stuff in the year previously, then that’s okay according to our rules? 
Yes but if they don’t have enough in the 5 year period this year it gives them 12 months wake up to go out and get it. (We would still be looking at 5 years but I reckon for quite a few people all the CPD will be this year).
Yeah, but you would have to work your backside off this year.
It’s to make sure that people who have a sudden change of circumstances don’t get unduly punished.
Is that written down somewhere, because that is literally me right now! Being realistic I reckon I have about 5 ‘days’ in the last 3.5 years, but the previous year and a half I was running 2 sessions a week… Paddling in summer, climbing in winter.
I don’t have the ACATI to have but it makes it pretty clear that it’s 20 days over the past 5 years, not 4 days per year (which is the average).
When it was unveiled to us Andy spelled it out in the same way, using thinks like Maternity leave as the reason you had to have the amount over a sustained period.
Cheers. I’ll take a proper look later! I’ve also done BMC fundamentals 1 & 2 in the last five years which MT class as a CPD point each so I think I should be good on that front too 
(And I highly recommend the fundamentals course to any climbing instructors! Really good course)
Andy was really keen to ensure the whole system around the Core AT activities married up with NGB requirements where possible.
I appreciate, as @Leighton73 points out, some NGBs have “should” whilst we have “must” - but the NGBs ARE NOT our deployers, which can (rightly IMHO) request “suitably qualified” people also remain “current” in the activities they are delivering.
It’s also hardly onerous really. 4 days on average a year most people will easily do. 2 units of CPD is probably less than British Canoeing want anyway, not sure about BMC or mountain biking stuff though.
There are lots of easy wins if you are struggling for time. There are e-learning modules on the Mountain Training side for example that are free and can be done over a period of time.
Part of being a good instructor is continuing to develop your practice and I don’t think two units is particularly difficult. As @Batfink says, the RAFAC is the deployer - not the NGB - so they decide what the requirements are.
British Canoeing is 20 points in 3 yrs, MTA is 10 in 5yrs if I remember correctly? MIAS doesn’t have a requirement I don’t think.
Thank you everyone for the information. I’m happy to do the CPD, I have been doing some but without thinking of it as CPD! The info in the annex is limited and I’ve had nothing from the WATTO on what things could be counted but from everything you’ve said on here this isn’t as difficult as I thought it might be.
That said, it’s definitely time for a review on what quals across the board I do carry over and I think the shooting ones will go.
This is often the case! I happen to agree with you though, I think my shooting quals are going to go too.
I’m toying with keeping my Air Rifle Qual but Wing are doing so little to get us back up and running that I might not bother.
Is that correct, I thought that it was for each qualification?
Background. In the wider outdoor activity sector outside of the RAFAC there are a number of requirements put in place by National Governing Body (NGB) organisations that direct award holders towards maintaining their competence in activity delivery. Mountain Training UK gives the following advice to holders of its awards - “Award holders should follow the National Guidelines published by Mountain Training UK (reference a. above). In particular they should note that their award is only valid where the holder is operating within the scope of the award and the holder has recent logged experience appropriate to the award.”
Maintaining and Demonstrating Currency within RAFAC. CFAV and Cadets who hold outdoor activity qualifications should maintain a record of activity and continuing personal/professional development (CPD) evidence. This will be inspected annually by their WATTO as required by ACATI 002 Section 5 paragraph b.(4) at reference c above. The WATTO will consider this along with the range of instructor qualifications held and the feedback from any formal or informal field assessment when deciding if the instructor can be included on the wing AT register of instructors authorised to deliver activity for the following year.
The following minimum criteria must be evidenced every 5 years in order to demonstrate currency:
20 days spent in the activity/activities for which the CFAV/Cadet holds a leadership or coaching award. This should include both personal and group leadership experience. Instructors who hold a number of awards should log experience across the range of activities for which they are qualified.
2 CPD units to be gained from attendance at/participation in a wide range of other training/learning opportunities. See appendix 1 for examples.
This averages 4 days or sessions of activity plus approximately ½ unit of CPD activity each year.
Yep, Andy made it very clear that it was cumulative not per activity.
So I’ve had a flick though of ACATI 8 now, and it looks like it’s generally based on the MTA CPD policy (login and click the link to the policy), which makes a lot of sense! And as much as it is cumulative, and not per activity, both the MTA CPD policy, and our own have a similar wording bit:
RAFAC:
Instructors who hold a number of awards should log experience across the range of activities for which they are qualified
MTA:
Members who hold a number of MT awards should log experience across the range of activities/terrain for which they are qualified
So you can’t have 20 indoor climbing sessions and think that means you are current when it come to mountain walking!
What I guess this does mean though is if you only hold one qual, then you need to have 20 days of that one qual, but if you hold 4 quals then you need 5 days of each qual. (approximately of course)
That’s my understanding of it.
Also the CPD example list in appendix one also looks like a near copy of the MTA example list, which again is great, as everything aligns nicely 
Also, the BC CPD system is completely different to MTAs. Doing a course with MTA is worth one/two MTA credits, as a course with BC is worth 10/20 of their ‘points’!
Yeah that’s exactly it.
So if you arejust a Mountain Biker you need 20 MTB sessions, but if you are an ML with MIAS, Paddlesport Leader and an RCI you need to be showing around 5 sessions of each over the 5 year period. (So roughly 1 per year).
There is flexibility for WATTO’s on how we sign this off, the 20 days don’t need to be rigidly divided between all of your Quals and the split between personal and group leadership doesn’t need to be 50/50 either.
If you have 17 out of your 20 days leading groups but the 3 personal days are really good quality days where you have stretched yourself I’m probably not going to be too concerned. If however you’ve only led 1 group in 5 years and everything else is personal training we will be having a conversation.
