Personally, I also wouldn’t be against funds being shared at Sector or Wing level. I’ve never been a great follower of the “my unit/your unit” mindset - we’re all part of the same Corps and money wherever benefits cadets.
If there was a squadron that wasn’t pulling their weight with fundraising that would become apparent pretty quickly and could be dealt with, ideally with carrots but if necessary also with sticks through the CoC.
Whilst this has the potential, not sure if a Sector level bank account would/could operate. Would this mean a Sector level treasurer; then again there would be squadron treasurers looking for a job
I would say in many places it does work and works well, otherwise HQAC’s dreams and desires of EWOW and now pretend oops I mean synthetic flying would never have happened. There are places where there are problems, but they are not and never insurmountable. Just that people always seem to make mountains out worm castes.
On what basis would money be ring fenced?
As mentioned I wouldn’t do any independent fundraising if it wasn’t going to benefit the cadets on my sqn.
I guess we may see if there is actually any plans in the works then! Although I’m pretty sure there is an exemption they can use if it is information that will otherwise be published in the future anyway.
So if we have a wing account, and you raise £100, that money goes into the wing account but is ‘yours’ still. Just means the account can be managed by less people, but you still fund-raise directly for your squadron. All hypothetical.
So how do you access it? Via an account number? Sqns already have one of them, so the idea is to have 20-30 sqn accounts, but as a notional Wing acct, all makes perfect sense, or actually not.
I bet it wouldn’t be long before someone decides to go all Robin Hood.
Also lose CWCs and you lose the people who do the fundraising and more besides.
This idea just smacks of some bloke who has been in the RAF for his working life and looks to solve a problem that doesn’t actually exist, because they have absolutely no understanding of the organisation they are tinkering with.
Also means Sqns who want to spend that money have to go cap in hand to a body outside their Sqn to spend their own money.
No thanks.
If I want to buy 10 kyacks I should be able to.
If I want to take the cadets to go ape I should be able to.
If I want to buy a new multifunction printer I should be able to.
Without delay.
Without question.
Anything which takes a Sqns funds away from the direct control of the Sqn is not a step forward.
Currently the money is outside the squadron. We’ve talked here of examples of committees holding back money for silly reason. I’m just going off of what @talon was saying WRT how the ACF does it. It also relies on this point:
This brings the OC closer to being able to spend the money IMO, not further away.
What silly reason?
Many of the problems around committees are self-inflicted by sqn cdrs who have little or no experience and go in all Billy Big Balls and annoy people, then moan about it. Go in with a properly costed idea and reason and it’s not a problem, Also when you work like this people on the CWC with contacts and or time to do things, life can be easier, much easier than going through some paid wallah at Wing.
I agree with @Paracetamol on this one. I work very hard to ensure that my squadron is properly equipped, by applying for grants and organising activities with my civilian committee so the cadets can raise money themselves and spend it on things THEY want.
During lockdown I was fortunate enough to secure a significant amount of money (~£9000) for new IT kit from four different funders. This has meant every cadet essentially can use a laptop or tablet on a squadron night and complete their training electronically. If my funds were centralised I absolutely wouldn’t have been able to apply for that money. Squadrons can also apply to Microsoft for 10 free full Office 365 licences; if the fund was centralised none of us would able to do this.
I shared the funders details with lots of other local squadrons and even offered to help them fill in the bid forms for them and every squadron ignored me, or said they’d provide information and then didn’t. I won’t be carrying squadrons who are too lazy to fundraise themselves. We all know of squadrons with terrible IT or wooden trestle tables covered in paint, because nobody has bothered to fundraise or be proactive in getting support.
I have heard of a wing civ comm near me that charges for cadets to attend wing activities and then (indirectly) spends that money on things like subsidised Wing dinners for staff rather than really investing it in the cadet experience. If that kind of Wing got hold of my squadron’s money I really wouldn’t trust what they might be doing with it.
One other thing I forgot to mention is that there are supposed to be meetings on a regularly basis (maybe quarterly, I forget as not much has been bought due to covid) where you disclose how much is in the account and also discuss ideas of what to spend it on. At least one cadet has to be present so their voice is heard. At the end of the day it is usually the cadets raising the money through subs or fundraising. If they want a ping pong table, they get a ping pong table.
I think centralisation would be a good thing - I’ve been on squadron where Joe Bloggs CI or Fg Off Smith was really interested in AT (example) so spent thousands of pounds on climbing equipment, stoves, tents etc. It prob get used 4 weekends a year, if that. If we centralised that kind of purchase to wing level, the wing could “hire” out equipment to squadrons for activities. Push the usage up to 30 odd weekends a year BUT have it serviced and maintained by the SQEP ay Wing. Similarly insurance, broadband, telephone should all be centrally provided, as well as IT equipment for delivery of training. If we used the buying power of 1000 squadrons to provide laptops we could make substantial savings. Squadrons should though still have a “squadron” pot managed by the OC and staff for things like trips, dining-in nights etc, which could be added to with subs and fundraising.