Pacesticks


#142

Let’s say a SNCO/WO goes on a DI course. They then decide they’re ready to progress so go for a commission. Why shouldn’t they get the belt and the stick? They’re still obviously very capable at what they do, that doesn’t just disappear as soon as they swap their chevrons for bars. A DI doesn’t need the tat that goes with the qualification to be able to do their job, so why do people get so anal over it?


#143

I object when a person who is tasked with setting an example of pristine compliance with the dress regulations is the same person who ignores what those regulations state in writing. Examples being the carriage of sticks (or wearing of white belts etc.) when not engaged in instructional duties.


#144

As before… If the RAF aren’t bothered…


#145

Just because the RAF are slackers doesn’t mean that we have to be.


#146

Those who would uphold the standards must meet those same standards. “Do as I say not as I do” isn’t an acceptable excuse to give to a toddler so why should we swallow it? (And as has been made very clear we aren’t in the RAF).


#147

We’re not the RAF.


#148

Evidently not…

I’ve never quite grasped how and why we tend to take things far more seriously than the people who actually do it full time.


#149

That’s why. It’s our hobby to obsess about. Not the everyday.


#150

They are people whose real lives lack any substance and see the ATC as something to give their lives meaning and lacking anything else go for something that requires little intelligence.
Having done the drill/discip role, in didn’t take very much effort or mental agility at all.


#151

In fairness, they don’t.

In terms of drill, unless you’re QCS you could easily go a 10 year stint doing no formal drill. The average cadets does more drill in 6 months than I did in 5 years of full time service.

They’ve got an operational role to worry about. That comes first. Poncing about on a drill square is a distant worry. Whereas for cadets - especially with the cuts and withdrawals - it’s the only thing we have left.


#152

And surely the people who are buying these pacesticks could buy something better, I mean £120 could get me flights to somewhere in Europe and back or a nice hotel somewhere or a fancy weekend away!


#153

I summed up the ATC to someone as perpetual basic training and uniformed staff are treated little differently to cadets in that sense.
I have never been one to worry about being saluted all the time or have anyone, especially cadets, standing to attention. The won’t do it at school or when they eventually start work.


#154

Why do you bother with uniform them? Or the rank structure?


#155

Purely as it’s part of the game we play. I know there are people who love it and get off on it and get short shrift from me, as it adds little value to “day to day” squadron life. I don’t ever remember my COs when I was a cadet being as anal as some I know today. Bear in mind many of the staff when I was a cadet had seen military service in WW2, post war regular or NS.


#156

I am not that bothered either. What grips me is that some people are. If you are going to be the guardian of the rules then you need to apply them fairly and withou favour including personally. I had to have a word with a DI for telling a cadet he had to buy new boots because he had rhe wrong type for No3 uniform because you couldn’t polish them. Them justifying his statment by saying thats what it says in 1358c.


#157

That’s the ATC in a nutshell

(ducks and runs)


#158

I agree, that sort of nonsense is hugely shortsighted. Pragmatism has never been the ATCs strong point.


#159

And devestating for the cadet and their family, if they are unable to afford them as well.


#160

Can’t see why anyone would want to polish combat boots anyway. They should be properly maintained. Even if they are leather, actually polishing them can be detrimental.


#161

Oh! Shhhhh You!! And go and get a haircut!!!

( :wink: for clarity!)