Maybe it’s time you took your woggle and went and joined the scouts then?
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The way things are going in the ATC they may well be in the next revision of the ATC dress regs.
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Yeah you’ll get a blue one for doing nothing with a further series of Bronze, Silver & Gold 
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I assume the safety case is MOD-wide not RAF specific, so the safety case for CCF will expire at the same time?
I would say approach your local CCF for access to the new rifle but it looks like we will also not be getting them (in the south) until 2018.
The safety case is MOD wide and will be ‘owned’ and managed by the relevant project office in DE&S.
Well there are two words
owned and managed
that I wouldn’t feel sit happily together in the same sentence wrt the MOD.
so it would seem HQAC have caught up with the rest of the shooting world and admitted there is a new rifle on its way
(see scrolling banner on sharepoint)
Why oh WHY are these announcements in a memo style format without any kind of official stamp? no header indicating which office it has come from. no title/signature block signing who has made the annoucement.
it is the equivalent of a electronic post-it note placed on to the front page of Sharepoint like these are notes placed on the work’s fridge indicating some minor distruption
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I don’t quite understand what it’s referring to regarding the No8 out of service date.
Is it now being extended???
Can’t access the document at the moment, our unit password needs to be renewed! However, the No 8 OSD was scheduled for 30(?) Sep 2016. Unless some detailed (urgent) work is going on behind the scenes with all concerned, especially the MOD “sponsor,” with only 2 months to go, there will be huge issues with (ACO) cadet .22 shooting - there won’t be any until sufficient stocks of the L144 are distributed.
I think you mean huge issues with cadet .22 shooting full stop, not just ACO. All the MOD sponsored No. 8 rifle users will be losing the No. 8 on the out of service date, which means no .22 shooting for anyone unless using LPW. We do not currently have the HK conversion kits for the L98A2 as they needed to be returned for maintenance/upgrade and there is no ETA on their return. The L144 roll out is going to be very slow even for the ACF. Our county hasn’t actually had No. 8s for a while so there are many cadets who have never fired .22. Going from air rifle to L98A2 is a big step.
Ok copied from the document…
“The out of service date for the No8 will be managed to allow remaining stock of rifles, spares and specialist tools to waste out as armouries are converted. There is agreement in principal for Cosford Armoury to isolate serviceable stock for the benefit of Units still using the No 8.”
The document also states at the begining a 3year roll out commencing 2017
Thanks!
That is still a rather vague statement - “managed” = extended?? Date range? End of 2020 to coincide with all units to getting replacements?
It confused me too…
So are the No8s staying or not??
Maybe there is a sense of deja vu here. I’m sure that every time the future of the N°8 has been ‘in the news’, they have sent out a missive similar to [quote=“big_g, post:119, topic:719, full:true”]“The out of service date for the No8 will be managed to allow remaining stock of rifles, spares and specialist tools to waste out as armouries are converted. There is agreement in principal for Cosford Armoury to isolate serviceable stock for the benefit of Units still using the No 8.”[/quote]
has been rolled out, as a reason to keep N°8s in service.
Given this has happened for at least 20 years, just how many N°8s and associated parts are there?
Is it more a case that the people who are conversant with repair etc for N°8s are getting fewer and fewer so get something new.
It reminds you some ways of aircraft that are due to go out of service and then they find a way of keeping them going.
I would be inclined to agree with you but at our latest Wing shooting weekend our parent station’s armoury told us they will not be supporting the No8 rifle after 30th September.
What frustrates me is they knew two weeks before we did. If HQAC are able to send a memo to the armouries to stop issuing No8 Rifles, then how come it took two weeks to send a post-it note memo to us via the scrolling banner?
Of course HQAC may realize (perhaps after enough CFAVs point out the error) that without extending the No8 until the new CSBTR is ready we’ll see a similar “pause” in 0.22 shooting as we have seen with the gliding pause and so reverse the decision, but is that not an MOD decision?
I doubt the armoury have been advised by HQAC.
The DIN issued last September extended the Safety Case until 30 Sep 2016, this is what they will be working from.
Whoever is managing this process needs to issue a new DIN to extend the safety case, so that we can continue using the No.8 whilst we wait for the roll out of CSBTR to reach us.
What’s the current situation wrt service ammo in LPWs?
As far as I am aware it is mandatory.
If I remember I will check when I get home. I have the badly photocopied (then buried, lost, found and then scanned) policy somewhere. I believe it is MOD wide.
i.e. you must use service ammo?
I seem to remember an email about the ammo not having been tested in all varieties of rifle (which is silly as it’s just off-the-shelf .22)