Wonder if Service Instructors would be allowed to be key holders under this new scheme.?
If so not quite as bad. Still total rubbish though.
How many SIs are there?
Difficult to know for sure.
The stats I have a copy of are from 7 months ago and donāt break down except Officer, SNCO, all other. They were tallied for a planned Wing Parade.
I guess across the Corps depends on area and proximity to MOD bases.
That would be an interesting stat, the number of Service Instructors across the Corps.
The attendance is an average across the Wing. Like a headline figure for Uniform percentage attendance and CI attendance.
So using the 2 together I could infer the above.
Why has HQAC suddenly got a downer on CIs?
Same at my squadron.
They donāt wear a blue suit, so that makes them immune to threats from above but now they have reduced uniformed CFAV to less than a traffic warden in terms of powers, just wait to see what happens next.
Scenario; early Sunday morning CI arrives at HQ to take cadets flying at a station a considerable distance away, cadet has left something inside, no keys. Does the OC get a nice early phone call to come and open up?
There are lots more scenarios!!!
CIs are part of the staffing structure of the Corps. Just because the donāt jump to attention and salute someone like the rest of us have to, doesnāt mean they donāt give as much time and support to their Squadrons!
I suppose as they are demotivating the uniformed staff, they didnāt want CIs to miss out of the treatment!
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If our Sqn went to one day a week that wouldnāt work. One night a week is put down to sports and practice for wing teams etc. The other night is put towards exams and lovely power point presentations. I couldnāt imagine just doing one day a week when we have such a busy Sqn.
Does anyone have anything that shows for definite that only uniformed staff will be key holders in the future?
Nope, Iāve onlÅ· heard it from the 1 poster on here, nothing from any of my other contacts. Anyone asked the question on the Valuing the Volunteers page on Sharepoint?
Yeahā¦ Iām not getting involved with keys.
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That is absurd.
To my knowledge we have a grand total of two SIs in my Wing, and obviously they have their own commitments and responsibilities so I donāt think it really matters if they can be issued with keys if CIs canāt.
I suppose Iām fortunate in that my unit has a keypad door lock rather than a key - suppose we wonāt be allowed the door code and will have to sit twiddling our thumbs until someone āmore responsibleā arrives. At least in our old building you could pry open the fire exit with your fingers if you were locked outā¦
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Well theyve hacked off whats left of the uniform staff so have to move on to a new target.
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Itās nothing new the way they mistreat CIs.
Canāt do this, that or the other has been the mantra from HQAC ref CIs for well over 30 years if not longer. When I was CI we were told I couldnāt do things, didnāt worry me, less things to do.
What HQAC forget is no CIs and the Corps would all but cease to operate. If lost the CIs at the squadron I would be well and truly rogered.
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Iāve said it here before, policies made by people who have never lived outside the fence in the big nasty wide world. They still think they control the chess set and can move the pieces as they wish.
Now with the CFAV reduced to, not being in the RAF, reducing them to less than traffic wardens they have even less power over peoples life.
If CFAVs in all forms but in particular CIs start to say āsorry well maybe not, Iām offā think of the numer of Squadrons that merge or close down, re-organisation and reduction in Wings and Regions equals FTRS sinecures are reduced. Now that would never do would it?
I dont understand this attitude, as CAC had always been singing the CIs praises,
hug a CI, they are the backbone etc so why the sudden changeā¦
no, HQAC have never - in the 30 years iāve been involved (however tangentally) with the ATC - been pro CI. they might have put a tweet out, but that doesnāt change what theyāve been doing all day, every day, for decades.
i think it comes down to control - CIās have always been a bit āsemi-detachedā from the train set by dint on not being paid, not being in uniform, and having a great deal more āno thanks, iām washing my hair that weekendā¦ā latitude in their service - HQAC (and a large proportion of the uniformed staff in the ATC, to be strictly fair to HQACā¦) have never liked that, which is why we see the āonly a CIā thing, the pressure to go into uniform, and the erosion of what a CI can do.
this, of course, is hilarious given that thanks to HQACās recruitment and retention efforts, the ATC is so short of OCās that CIās are doing the roleā¦
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As an ex CI myself I agree with you regarding HQAC, but Dawn seemed to think the organisation couldnāt operate with out CIs at one point and now thisā¦ a bit strange
If the organisation couldnāt operate as we know it couldnāt, why make CIs lives awkward and make them feel like the proverbial fart in a spacesuit. Take something as simple as HTD, I still have to sign a form basically saying their claim is OK, which I donāt have to for unformed staff.
If they are as important as they say, open every single thing in the ATC to them no restrictions, "payā them and give them positions of āimportanceā.
Back in the early 90s when I was a CI the MOD took a fright when they discovered that civilians were range officers and running ranges and handling ammunition and weapons."What are these CIs? " they said.When they discovered what was going on all range tickets were pulled from CIs .However as soon as the pens pushers realised that CIs were doing it all for free the tickets were restored immediately.Funny that.
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