If it was in the big wide world outside the manager would be nailed to the wall through a grievance procedure, in particular in the civil service. If someone insists on using the phone so there is no e-mail trail then there is no record of your reply asking them to investigate sex and travel forthwith and here is the contact details for a taxidermists gift voucher.
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Why? Someone else is rude, so that gives the volunteer cadre licence to be?
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No, in my experience and opinion the main source of lack of respect in my Wing comes from the Civil Service. Ergo - get her house in order and then work on the volunteers who do it as good will.
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I feel that you may have missed the point of her email…
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There was an emphasis on mutual and she didn’t single out CFAVs as the only target for her words.
Saying “but they’re doing it” is a daft argument which only becomes a spiral to the bottom.
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I don’t know how the CAC can still think this is the best youth organisation, it is baffling, we are not. We are now an average youth organisation with little more to offer than the other uniformed youth organisations.
She needs to understand she is speaking to adults, the majority of whom do not do the ATC / RAFAC for a living. She is not the CFAV’s boss (not sure she’s the permanent staff’s boss either) and she and the others need to realise this. They can get annoyed but sorry their sphere of influence is non-existent.
I think a hands up from the CAC and her minions that they cannot do anything to affect things or make things better in any way would go a long way to gaining respect. We know it, they know it but won’t admit it. Flying and gliding adequately show where their shortcomings are as they do not hold any of the strings.
I have to say the people at WHQ and up need to up their game and need to do things and get on with it when we want it done. I can imagine if we dealt with our clients/customers the way RAFAC permanent staff deal with us, a few moans would be the least of their worries. Our managers would be having a chat and not a pleasant one.
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Found the culprit.
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I have said for years the only negative of “kicking out” or engineering the leaving of adult staff is the impact on squadrons and the cadets therein. For those adult staff there is no negative or consequence outside the ATC unless they have been kicked out for some that has broken the law of the land and they are convicted…
When people leave of their own volition, meet them a bit later and it’s like speaking to people who have retired from work. I don’t anyone who retires and says they miss the work, they miss the people but that’s a different thing entirely.
People keep doing this mainly for the sake of youngsters joining, not because they have any great love or respect of people at the top of the tree, they are there like pigeons that leave unwanted deposits.
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Ooooh an encore. Exciting.
Stop feeding him.
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out of interest, if this IS the case, who is CAC the “boss of” if not those in the organisation…
…genuine question, else it seems a pointless title and a gap filler role for the sake of it otherwise
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She is the boss as far as cadet activity goes. True she can’t give us a legally enforceable order now, but if we don’t toe the line she can say our services are no longer required and kick us out.
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i find the argument laughable each time i read it.
yes us VRTs are now CFCs and not “military” - but our SNCOs have never been “military” so where was the enforceability to offer them an order??
CAC has just as much authority to offer an instruction (which can be wrapped up in a military format of an “order”) now as they did in 2017/pre-CFC the consequences of ignoring it have now changed, that’s all…
which was always the case before - except certain “rights” were used given the extended military status of a VRT
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She line manages the RCs and they line manage the permanent staff so she is the boss ultimately.
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So, the buck stops with her and everything that is good about the RAFAC is due to her hard work.
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The reverse is also true then.
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Yes I know, but I was trying to be positive to be on track with the latest email plea 
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It’s the same old problem. She likes to address the symptoms, but never tackles the disease.
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Sounds like the old Arnie line ‘You are the disease and I am the cure’.
If I spot anything from her tenure I’ll let you know.
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